A video recording of the DDRB May 15, 2020 meeting can be viewed and downloaded via the link below or by contacting the DIA at rmezini@coj.net. https://zoom.us/rec/play/uZN8IeuorT83HYLB4wSDV6R-W47pLfmsgSUbrqVezkzgUCVQMQb0YeBEZ7EfcXpE8cJlTrN6DhtbLhbq 158 00:16:37.890 --> 00:16:41.910 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay, well let's go ahead and get started. We're going to go ahead and call to order this 159 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:45.960 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): May 14 2020 meeting of the DDRB 160 00:16:48.180 --> 00:16:55.740 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I would say to advanced one of the items that I was going to cover on my instructions so that everybody has a chance to do this if you're not planning on speaking 161 00:16:56.520 --> 00:17:05.640 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): In the public comment section are participating and do have a message to provide would ask that you email that in advance to Ina Mezini 162 00:17:06.030 --> 00:17:24.210 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And her email address is rmezini@coj.net if you could send that now we do have a number of public comments. We want to make sure we get through that in an orderly fashion, and I would follow up with asking for everybody's patience, because of the nature of this meeting. 163 00:17:24.690 --> 00:17:26.640 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): We do have a rather long 164 00:17:26.970 --> 00:17:41.430 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Introduction to to walk through with everybody. So just asked everybody stay on mute and patiently as we walked through this. So, in an effort to slow the spread of the covid 19 virus and to encourage social distancing governor DeSantis has issued issued 165 00:17:41.670 --> 00:17:44.160 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Executive Order 20-69 166 00:17:44.550 --> 00:17:49.800 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Allowing local governments to hold public meetings using communications media technology, rather than a physical location. 167 00:17:50.250 --> 00:18:01.200 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): In keeping with the executive order the downtown development review board meeting of may 14 2020 is being held exclusively via zoom teleconference which allows interested persons to view and participate in the media remotely. 168 00:18:02.460 --> 00:18:06.000 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I would like to introduce the board and committee members. 169 00:18:06.270 --> 00:18:09.990 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And our staff and attendance today. And I'd also like to note that 170 00:18:11.130 --> 00:18:16.140 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): In keeping with the order of this meeting when we do work for public we do work for comment from 171 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:32.370 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): The board after the applicant and public comments section and during the. Any other discussion periods that I will be moving in a alphabetical order for board members and that would be with Mr Brian Allen. This is Brenna Durden, Mr. Craig Davisson 172 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:34.500 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): If we do have 173 00:18:34.560 --> 00:18:44.880 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mr. Fred Jones arrive, that you will come next. Then we have Mr. Trevor Lee, Mr Joe Loretta, and Mr. Bill Schilling, we will be doing so in that order for the duration of this meeting. 174 00:18:45.750 --> 00:18:56.490 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I like to also introduce staff that are participating this meeting from the city of Jacksonville. We have Mrs Lori Boyer from DIA, Mr. Guy Parola from DIA, 175 00:18:56.910 --> 00:18:59.160 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mrs. Lori Radcliffe Meyers from DIA, 176 00:18:59.610 --> 00:19:12.900 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Miss. Ina Mezini from DIA, uh we have, I believe, we do not have Jason to believe we have Susan Granden and representing the Office of General Counsel today. We also have Mr. Christian Popolo from historic preservation and we 177 00:19:13.080 --> 00:19:15.270 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Do not know if he has an attendance. Now, but 178 00:19:15.630 --> 00:19:17.370 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): He might join in a minute. 179 00:19:18.570 --> 00:19:21.300 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Councilman Michael Boylan from from District six 180 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:41.520 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Meeting instructions. So the agenda for this meeting the March 12th DDRB meeting minutes and action items STAFF REPORTS FROM THIS MEETING can be viewed and downloaded from the downtown Investment Authority website by going to the meeting information section at www.dia.coj.net. 182 00:19:43.650 --> 00:20:00.420 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): That may 14 DDRB meeting agenda was posted to the downtown development review board www.dia.coj.net on May 7 2020 and included directions on how to obtain the DDRB application material submitted by the applicants. 183 00:20:02.040 --> 00:20:08.010 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Individuals who experienced difficulty accessing the meeting or experienced technical difficulties during the meeting to contact 184 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:15.660 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Ina Mezini at rmezini@coj.net for assistance. 185 00:20:16.080 --> 00:20:24.900 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And the event multiple people have technical difficulties that preclude them from attending or access the meeting the meeting will be recessed or postponed until the technical issues can be remedied. 186 00:20:25.560 --> 00:20:45.750 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): When the media has concluded the recorded version may be accessed at https://dia.coj.net/downtown/Downtown-Development-Review-Board-(DDRB) 187 00:20:46.890 --> 00:20:57.330 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): In order to allow for orderly common and discussion all microphones will remain muted until recognized by the chair or host. Additionally, any chat function capabilities will be disabled for the duration of this meeting. 188 00:20:58.140 --> 00:21:13.590 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Instructions should be provided for participant access in the meeting by computer through the app and telephone and then I'd also like to ask our one of our hosts Ina to address the toolbar at the bottom of the screen that will be utilized for public comment. Throughout this media. 189 00:21:14.610 --> 00:21:15.390 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Thank you, Christian 190 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:23.040 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Welcome everybody. So if you are on your laptop at the bottom, you'll see that there is a toolbar. 191 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:40.260 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): It should say manage participants screen share your screen and raise your hand. And if you would like to speak. You can raise your hand and will acknowledge that will call on you. Also, if you are on the phone and you would like to raise your hand. You press star nine to raise your hand. 192 00:21:41.340 --> 00:21:45.450 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): As well as muting yourself on the bottom bar as well. I'm sorry about that. So you can mute yourself in the bottom bar. 193 00:21:46.530 --> 00:21:52.710 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): And then for all of you. I see most of you have put your full name here. But if not, if you could please again at the bottom. 194 00:21:53.220 --> 00:21:58.350 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): toolbar. You should see something that says managed participants. If you click on that and you go to your name. 195 00:21:59.280 --> 00:22:10.650 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): You can see if you hover over your name, you'll see a mute sign or a more button and if you click on that. It'll allow you to rename yourself if you could please put your first and last name there for records purposes. 196 00:22:12.540 --> 00:22:30.900 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): If you are on the phone again to mute and unmute is star six and it to raise your hand is Star nine I see one person here that is on the phone that phone number, ending in 5423 if you could please state your full name, I will rename 197 00:22:31.170 --> 00:22:31.740 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): You here. 198 00:22:33.210 --> 00:22:33.510 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Brian 199 00:22:33.540 --> 00:22:35.250 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): This is Brent Allen DDRB board member 200 00:22:38.280 --> 00:22:38.790 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Perfect. 201 00:22:41.940 --> 00:22:49.380 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): That that should be good to go. If anybody has a question again, please raise your hand that's on the bottom bar for you on an app or on your 202 00:22:49.710 --> 00:22:51.750 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Laptop and for the phone. It's star nine 203 00:22:53.670 --> 00:22:54.690 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right, thank you Ina. 204 00:22:56.010 --> 00:23:04.950 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): This meeting is being recorded a minutes are being taken. Therefore, after being recognized by the chair host any the individual who speaks during the meeting should do so clearly and slowly. 205 00:23:05.280 --> 00:23:09.660 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): To ensure that they are heard and understood for recording purposes and by other participants and attendees. 206 00:23:10.410 --> 00:23:21.060 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Participants shell regardless how your access to the meeting, please keep your microphones on mute at all times. The media has will have the capability to mute the microphone that is transmitting sound that causes feedback or ECHO. 207 00:23:21.150 --> 00:23:22.710 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Or is otherwise disruptive to the meeting. 208 00:23:23.790 --> 00:23:34.140 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Each person must wait to be recognized by the meeting share or host before speaking any person attempting to speak out of turn talk over others, or otherwise disrupted the meeting. They may be removed from participation. 209 00:23:35.100 --> 00:23:44.160 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): For the DDRB board members prior to speaking after being recognized please provide your first and last name to ensure those dial in and can identify the speaker. 210 00:23:45.780 --> 00:23:54.690 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): For the staff and public prior prior to speaking in after being recognized by the chair. Please provide your first and last name and address at the time you make an initial comment. 211 00:23:55.140 --> 00:24:00.810 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Members of the public and staff speaking more than once need only state their first and last name prior to making additional comments. 212 00:24:01.890 --> 00:24:05.610 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So for the DDRB, there will be two public comment opportunities. 213 00:24:06.090 --> 00:24:19.560 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Each action item will allow for public comment link to that item and each speaker is limited to three minutes to indicate you wish to speak on that item, please use the raise hand function feature by clicking the icon labeled participants. The bottom center of your PC or Mac. 214 00:24:20.100 --> 00:24:23.130 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): At the bottom window on the right side of the screen, click the bottom 215 00:24:23.250 --> 00:24:30.270 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): button labeled race in your digital handle. I'll be raised in the chair can call on you in the meeting host on mute you for three minutes speaking opportunity. 216 00:24:31.050 --> 00:24:41.250 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): At the end of the agenda, there is the general public comment period public comments and are limited to three minutes and duration. Please follow the same procedure that I previously described 217 00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:51.870 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And I think as I already mentioned, members of the public may submit comments by email to enough in advance if they do not wish to speak at this meeting. 218 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.970 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Public comments and minute by email will be read into the record during the public comment portion the meeting. 219 00:24:57.420 --> 00:25:00.900 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And they will only be read for three minutes, regardless of the email length. 220 00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:03.780 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): However, the email and its entirety. Thank 221 00:25:03.780 --> 00:25:06.690 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): You email and its entirety will be made part of the record. 222 00:25:07.890 --> 00:25:11.640 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All public comments will be given equal consideration. Regardless, the manner in which they were 223 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:12.060 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Submitted 224 00:25:12.870 --> 00:25:22.830 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And then voting votes will be taken by a roll call. I will announce the name of each voting member of the board who will clearly announced their vote for the record, so that all participants and attendees can hear their job. 225 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:38.760 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right, thank you for your patience. Again, I will just reiterate the, the process of that, particularly those who have not attended our meeting will understand that the process that we follow each item number will be 226 00:25:38.790 --> 00:25:40.380 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Followed by the staff report. 227 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:51.690 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): The staff report will be followed by the applicants presentation. After that, we will provide for public comments, as I mentioned, please keep all public comments under three minutes. 228 00:25:52.230 --> 00:26:04.260 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And then at that point during that public comment if you choose not to read your email, then you can speak. If you would like to have your email read instead then we will do the do so at that time. 229 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:12.750 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And then once that is complete, the public comment has been completed the applicant will have a chance to respond to all and we're going to ask today that 230 00:26:13.530 --> 00:26:25.350 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): The applicant withhold their responses until all the public comments have been made. So please keep notes on that. I know typically we allow for the applicant to respond each time, given that the nature of this meeting. 231 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:30.060 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): You know, and to try to maintain an orderly fashion, we will wait 232 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:32.970 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Until all this comments have been made. 233 00:26:33.450 --> 00:26:37.770 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And then after that we will commence the board discussion so 234 00:26:39.330 --> 00:26:40.980 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Now that that has been said, we will 235 00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:45.030 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Formerly start with action item, A 236 00:26:45.120 --> 00:26:48.210 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Which is DDRB 2020-007 237 00:26:48.690 --> 00:26:50.130 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Chase Special Sign Exception 238 00:26:51.450 --> 00:26:54.240 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And I will let Mrs Radcliffe Myers provide the staff report. 239 00:26:56.280 --> 00:27:05.520 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Thank you, Chairman harden. My name is Lori Radcliffe Meyers with the downtown Investment Authority, and I will be presenting a quick overview of DDRB 240 00:27:05.520 --> 00:27:06.510 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Application 241 00:27:06.930 --> 00:27:23.460 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): 2020 007 the chase special sign exception. DDRB application 2020 007 seeks approval for a special sign exception to allow for additional square footage for two proposed wall signs. 242 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:28.980 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Per the ordinance code buildings over five stories are allowed wall signs up to 243 00:27:29.280 --> 00:27:38.280 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): But not to exceed 400 square feet. The dimensions of the proposed wall signs are nine feet, One in three quarters inches in height. 244 00:27:38.820 --> 00:27:39.960 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): By 49 245 00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:52.140 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Feet one and seven eighths inch in length with an overall square footage of 449.6 square feet which exceed the allowed 400 square feet. 246 00:27:52.770 --> 00:28:03.390 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): The proposed wall signs continue the chase branding and are similar in style and coloring to surrounding wall signing in the area, such as the signs for Wells Fargo. 247 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:17.430 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): TIAA and VyStar. The internal illumination of the proposed wall signs is also similar to the surrounding signs. Based on the foregoing, the downtown development review board staff 248 00:28:17.430 --> 00:28:19.650 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): recommends approval of DDRB 249 00:28:19.650 --> 00:28:34.260 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Application 2020 007 for a special sign exception to the downtown overlay district to allow for to wall signs with the additional square footage of 49.6 square feet. 250 00:28:34.290 --> 00:28:39.540 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Per sign as identified in the attached signage application request for 251 00:28:39.540 --> 00:28:45.660 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Approval. This concludes the staff report and staff is available for questions. Thank you. 252 00:28:55.380 --> 00:28:57.630 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Chris, you're on mute Christian 253 00:29:02.580 --> 00:29:03.480 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I'm glad it was me. 254 00:29:05.850 --> 00:29:08.910 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So, on behalf of the applicant, I believe we have Matt Brockelman. 255 00:29:09.030 --> 00:29:12.630 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): To provide the presentation. So if we could unmute Matt. 256 00:29:14.490 --> 00:29:19.500 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And then are we going to, as Matt going to screen share. We're going to be using a presentation from our side. 257 00:29:20.490 --> 00:29:21.630 Matt Brockelman: screen share, Mr. Chairman. 258 00:29:22.230 --> 00:29:24.960 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay, let's go ahead and do that. 259 00:29:26.940 --> 00:29:28.800 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Ina, do you have that capability. 260 00:29:30.090 --> 00:29:34.350 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Perfect. Brilliant. Okay, great. Thank you, Mr Brockelman please go ahead 261 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:45.570 Matt Brockelman: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is Matt Brockelman with the southern Group, on behalf of the applicant. So I know you guys have a couple items on the agenda, so we'll keep the presentation as brief as possible. 262 00:29:46.650 --> 00:29:56.280 Matt Brockelman: Just for a quick orientation of where we're, we're, we're looking here. So the address of the location is 112 West Adam street the southwest corner of Adams and Laura downtown 263 00:29:56.550 --> 00:30:00.210 Matt Brockelman: And it's the Barnett National Bank building which is on the National 264 00:30:00.360 --> 00:30:08.910 Matt Brockelman: Register of Historic Places. It's an adaptive reuse project completed by Steve Atkins in 2019 as part of a public private partnership. 265 00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:10.140 Matt Brockelman: With the DIA and with the 266 00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:11.220 Matt Brockelman: Curry administration. 267 00:30:11.610 --> 00:30:16.260 Matt Brockelman: So major office tenants of the building include the University of North Florida, who has two floors, as part of 268 00:30:16.260 --> 00:30:17.730 Matt Brockelman: Their entrepreneurism center. 269 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:19.320 Matt Brockelman: The Jacksonville Business Journal 270 00:30:19.590 --> 00:30:22.410 Matt Brockelman: And Chase Bank, which is currently finishing out their build out on the first floor. 272 00:30:23.520 --> 00:30:30.870 Matt Brockelman: And as part of chase banks relationship with the building owners, they've also secured the roof top signage rights for the building, which is what we're here to discuss today. 273 00:30:32.130 --> 00:30:41.610 Matt Brockelman: Just quickly again for orientation sake. Here's an overhead view you can see in the very, very north central portion of the screen is Jacksonville city hall and Hemming Park. 274 00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:50.400 Matt Brockelman: And then, of course, Laura Street is just east of that going south, and you can see right in the middle of the screen is where our proposed site is at the Barnett bank building 275 00:30:53.490 --> 00:30:56.220 Matt Brockelman: So let's talk a little bit about the sign itself. 276 00:30:57.390 --> 00:31:01.260 Matt Brockelman: So here's just a graphical rendering of the sign with some of the measurements. 277 00:31:01.890 --> 00:31:07.350 Matt Brockelman: You'll, you'll notice that and for the benefit of those who are calling in on the phone, who can't see the screen. 278 00:31:07.770 --> 00:31:16.410 Matt Brockelman: Basically what we're looking at here is is the Chase Bank logo. So on the left side is the actual text for Chase. And that's going to be in white lettering. 279 00:31:16.860 --> 00:31:22.530 Matt Brockelman: On the very right side of the Chase Bank logo is their signature octagon, which will be in blue. 280 00:31:23.070 --> 00:31:35.040 Matt Brockelman: And both of those components are going to be attached to the existing galvanized steel face of the tower which currently is a faded green color. And of course, it's going to be repainted and sort of a nickel color. 281 00:31:36.360 --> 00:31:40.980 Matt Brockelman: And so on the next slide here, you can kind of get a sense of what it'll look like when it's done. 282 00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:53.640 Matt Brockelman: So this elevation here is actually facing east. And the important thing to note here and we'll get to this in a second, a little bit further, but you'll also notice the north and south parts of the facade here. 283 00:31:53.940 --> 00:32:09.690 Matt Brockelman: Are not proposed to have any signage and this is a departure from historically the building did have signage along the 360 degree face of the building. So overall, this represents an actual decrease in the area of signage compared to what was historically present 284 00:32:11.790 --> 00:32:17.070 Matt Brockelman: So to drill down a little bit into the specific agenda item and why we're seeking a special exception from the code. 285 00:32:17.580 --> 00:32:28.230 Matt Brockelman: So now there are a few reasons. We think that this is is ripe for consideration. The first is that this project because it's on the National Register of Historic building buildings. 286 00:32:28.800 --> 00:32:38.970 Matt Brockelman: All aspects of the redevelopment from the last couple years had to go through an exhaustive month months long approval process with the federal government through the National Park Service who administers the 287 00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:47.040 Matt Brockelman: historic building programs as well as the Florida Department of State who works in consultation with the federal government on these types of issues so 288 00:32:47.310 --> 00:32:56.550 Matt Brockelman: Every aspect of the developer of the development, including all of the exterior signage has gone through multiple layers of reviews. So you guys are certainly not the first ones to see that. 289 00:32:56.730 --> 00:33:07.590 Matt Brockelman: And the reason that I say this is that the the city planning department actually referenced these multiple layers of reviews when they were evaluating and ultimately approving the street front signage for the building. 290 00:33:07.890 --> 00:33:12.810 Matt Brockelman: So we just thought it would be important for you all to know that other eyes have seen this over a long period of time. 291 00:33:13.830 --> 00:33:19.500 Matt Brockelman: As I mentioned before, the north and south facing roof top besides facades will not have any signage. 292 00:33:20.430 --> 00:33:30.300 Matt Brockelman: And then perhaps I think the most compelling reason for the the granting of this exception is the overall scale, it's, it's actually a very, very minor exception. 293 00:33:30.570 --> 00:33:42.600 Matt Brockelman: And that's just a function of how city code requires us to measure the the rooftop signage and the wall signs of these buildings. So essentially what we had to do was we had to incorporate the area of 294 00:33:42.840 --> 00:33:53.670 Matt Brockelman: The largest rectangle possible that we could draw around the entire sign. So when you do that and you can see that represented by the first graphic the the top graphic on the right side of the screen here. 295 00:33:54.540 --> 00:34:05.760 Matt Brockelman: The, the area as noted by staff was about 50 square feet, beyond the, the, the limit. However, from a practical standpoint, you'll see in the graphic immediately below that. 296 00:34:06.300 --> 00:34:18.780 Matt Brockelman: That when you trace as much kind of more, I would say a more accurate box around the majority of the signage, you'll see that it's actually just the very top and very bottom slivers of the chase octagon. 297 00:34:19.050 --> 00:34:32.820 Matt Brockelman: That are causing the area to be so big. So when you kind of cut those two little portions out the actual square footage of the sign drops considerably almost 25% down to about 350 square feet, which would put it well below. 298 00:34:33.450 --> 00:34:37.860 Matt Brockelman: The, the limitation and I'll just say kind of one last little thing. 299 00:34:38.640 --> 00:34:47.580 Matt Brockelman: On on this this topic, obviously. Right now we're in the middle of a very strange public health and global economic situation and we think that 300 00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:56.430 Matt Brockelman: You know Jacksonville and and particularly downtown can use all of the economic good news that we can get right now if you all were to approve this exception. 301 00:34:57.090 --> 00:35:05.550 Matt Brockelman: The developer contemplates installing the signs in the latter part of the summer. So you can imagine the the positive symbolism that would take place. 302 00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:11.880 Matt Brockelman: When we're talking about putting a major global brand on the downtown skyline, particularly with everything going on this year. 303 00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:24.540 Matt Brockelman: So those are several of the reasons we think that you all should consider this favorably. And of course, we're, we're happy to answer any questions that you may have an on the call. We also have 304 00:35:25.380 --> 00:35:28.470 Matt Brockelman: And I'll kind of stop the screen share for now, since that's the presentation. 305 00:35:28.830 --> 00:35:41.070 Matt Brockelman: On the call. We've also got Tom McKenna from Philadelphia SIGN COMPANY he handles chase's signs nationwide and can can answer any technical questions you may have about the sign. Steve Atkins, the, the owner of the building. 306 00:35:41.670 --> 00:35:53.550 Matt Brockelman: Is also on and can answer any questions you may have about the approval process that that his team went through with the National Park Service and then Jennifer Carr from Chase Bank is also on who can answer any questions you may have that 307 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:59.850 Matt Brockelman: Are answered on the bank's behalf. So with that, Mr. Chairman. I will turn it back over to you. And again, we appreciate your consideration. 308 00:36:04.200 --> 00:36:09.120 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Alright, thank you, Mr Brockelman. Do we have any public comment on this this agenda item number? 309 00:36:13.470 --> 00:36:15.300 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I have not received any via email, but I 310 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:18.630 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Do see that Nancy Powell has her hand raised. 311 00:36:20.610 --> 00:36:21.090 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): OK. 312 00:36:21.570 --> 00:36:24.060 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I will lower her hand and allow her to speak. 313 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:28.020 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): we'd invite you to the virtual microphone, Mrs Powell 314 00:36:29.010 --> 00:36:30.060 Nancy Powell: Can you hear me. 315 00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:31.050 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): We can. 316 00:36:31.890 --> 00:36:38.820 Nancy Powell: I just want to. I'm the executive director of Scenic Jacksonville and signage is one of the things we care about and 317 00:36:38.850 --> 00:36:39.600 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Before you start, could you please just state your name and address for the record. 319 00:36:43.020 --> 00:36:46.650 Nancy Powell: I'm sorry, Nancy Powell 1848 challenge Ave 320 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.940 Nancy Powell: Of Jacksonville, Florida, 32205 321 00:36:54.390 --> 00:36:56.370 Nancy Powell: So I am the 322 00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:08.880 Nancy Powell: Executive Director of things we care about you probably heard me speak before but I just want to thank chase and the developers of this project for 323 00:37:09.570 --> 00:37:26.220 Nancy Powell: You know, really taking the care to make this in a proportional way it it looks fine. You know, it fits the space and and being pretty much within the guidelines. I know it's a tiny bit over. But anyway, I just wanted to express my appreciation. Thank you. 324 00:37:28.170 --> 00:37:31.050 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. Thank you. Do we have any other public comment. 325 00:37:36.750 --> 00:37:37.830 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I do not see any additional hands raised. 326 00:37:38.610 --> 00:37:47.760 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay, well see there is none, we will move to the board. So I will start with, again, we're going to move through this in alphabetical order. 327 00:37:48.870 --> 00:37:59.460 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And if there are further comments after you and we'll use this procedure for the following agenda item to from the board. If you do have an additional comment after you had a chance to speak. 328 00:37:59.910 --> 00:38:13.320 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): If another board members said something that you'd like to comment on. Again, if you could just use the raise hand function as well. And that way I will know to call on you individually after we've we've made the rounds. So with that, I'll start with Mr. Allen. 329 00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.040 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I'll go ahead and unmute the other board. 330 00:38:20.040 --> 00:38:21.450 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Members that everybody can step in 331 00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:25.200 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Can everyone hear me? Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): We can. 332 00:38:26.520 --> 00:38:30.570 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Thank you, Mr. Harden this is Brent Allen DDRB Board Member. 333 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:51.420 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): First and foremost, I think we all need to give Mr. Atkins a virtual round of applause on the beautiful job that he's done and in redeveloping that that building and bringing some some momentum to that to that corner of downtown. One quick question for Mr. McKenna. 334 00:38:52.680 --> 00:38:58.050 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Is the sign going to be illuminated or is it just a non illuminated sign? 335 00:38:59.580 --> 00:39:09.060 Thomas Mckenna: Yeah, so this Thomas McKenna from Philadelphia SIGN COMPANY answering the question, yes it is going to be illuminated will be eliminated with LEDs is a low voltage sign. 336 00:39:11.520 --> 00:39:16.140 Thomas Mckenna: If you need a lumen, the lumen number or anything like that. I'd be more than happy to share that with you. 337 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:20.700 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): For the record what what is the lumen number on it? 338 00:39:21.390 --> 00:39:30.090 Thomas Mckenna: The white channel letters are estimated to be a 214 lumens per square foot. And that's right. If you're at the actual face of the sun. If you're just a few feet away from it. 339 00:39:31.110 --> 00:39:34.530 Thomas Mckenna: And the blue octagon is going to be 42 lumens. 340 00:39:35.130 --> 00:39:36.030 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): per square foot. 341 00:39:36.540 --> 00:39:40.470 Thomas Mckenna: And also my engineer made sure that I would explain this. 342 00:39:41.550 --> 00:39:58.500 Thomas Mckenna: Which you all may be aware of, too, but he said that the would be other signs in the area Wells Fargo and a few other high rise signs that will be surrounding us that that will that will lower the lumens. The more signs that are surrounding us, the lower the lumen rating will 343 00:39:58.560 --> 00:40:02.730 Thomas Mckenna: Will go. so since there are a few high rise signs nearby this 112 Adam Street. 344 00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:12.180 Thomas Mckenna: The lumens would be actually lower than that 214 once they're illuminating out, you know, towards the city on the east and west direction. 345 00:40:14.160 --> 00:40:18.060 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Thank you for that explanation. I think it's a good looking sign and thank you. 346 00:40:18.570 --> 00:40:18.960 Thomas Mckenna: Thank you. 347 00:40:20.790 --> 00:40:21.360 Thomas Mckenna: You're welcome. Brent Allen (DDRB Board): No further comment. 348 00:40:21.390 --> 00:40:21.660 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Alright. 349 00:40:22.470 --> 00:40:23.400 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Allen. 350 00:40:23.700 --> 00:40:24.330 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mrs. Durden? 351 00:40:25.470 --> 00:40:28.830 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Thank you, Chairman, this is Brenna Durden, board member 352 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:35.460 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I had a question about the lumens also, and 353 00:40:36.540 --> 00:40:37.320 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I appreciate that the information was just provided. 214. Can you, Could staff, tell us Possibly. How does that compare to the lumens that were on the VyStar the most recent VyStar project that we did is 214 higher or lower? 362 00:41:07.980 --> 00:41:23.100 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Board member during through the chair. This is Lori Ratcliff Myers DIA Staff, I would have to go back and look exactly what the VyStar lumens were, I can do that really quick. And if you would like. And I could get that answer for you. 363 00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:33.960 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Well, I don't know if that's possible. If there's some way for you to get somebody to get you that information. I do know that the VyStar 364 00:41:34.830 --> 00:41:48.510 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): was higher than some of the other the white light is a little bit higher than some of the others that had been previously approved, not a tremendous amount, but I do think that 365 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:51.390 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I would like to know. 366 00:41:51.600 --> 00:41:54.180 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Because I think that the nighttime. 367 00:41:58.470 --> 00:42:04.200 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Why is is particularly important i'd like I'd like to say this, I'm 368 00:42:05.100 --> 00:42:06.840 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Very pleased with the size 369 00:42:07.140 --> 00:42:13.410 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Of the sign to the applicant and to chase and did Mr Atkins, I understand that the 370 00:42:15.090 --> 00:42:15.930 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Process that been through in it. It is egregious and time consuming and expensive I 373 00:42:22.710 --> 00:42:27.030 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): do have one question about the light. And I guess I would just like to know that it's 374 00:42:27.060 --> 00:42:32.850 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): In line with what the lumen strength is in line with 375 00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.030 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): What we have already got 376 00:42:36.090 --> 00:42:38.580 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): In our downtown area. Thank you, Mr.Chairman. 377 00:42:42.690 --> 00:42:51.720 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mrs Durden, okay, well yeah, if you're able to find that Miss. Ratcliffe Myers before we finish the section, that'd be great. And, and I'm going to make a note. 378 00:42:52.170 --> 00:42:59.130 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): That I don't know. We can do this on the application. But we have signs signs in the future, you know, maybe we could ask the applicant to compare that we have signed 379 00:42:59.130 --> 00:42:59.820 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Exceptions 380 00:43:00.510 --> 00:43:04.020 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So I feel like this is an item that comes up nearly every single time, which is great. 381 00:43:04.080 --> 00:43:06.720 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): You know that we were seeing a lot more action or skyline, but 382 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:09.960 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Perhaps we can address that in the application going forward. 383 00:43:11.940 --> 00:43:12.420 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay. 384 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:14.820 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Let me move to Mr Davisson 385 00:43:15.990 --> 00:43:18.720 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): Yeah, this is Craig Davisson. I have, I have no comments. 386 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:24.810 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. Thank you, Mr Davisson, I do not believe, Mr. Jones has joined us. 387 00:43:26.490 --> 00:43:28.440 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay, so, Mr. Lee. 388 00:43:31.500 --> 00:43:33.360 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I have no comments. 389 00:43:35.160 --> 00:43:37.050 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. Thank you, Mr. Loretta 390 00:43:38.010 --> 00:43:40.530 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I have no comments as well. 391 00:43:42.450 --> 00:43:45.900 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right, and then I'll move finally to Mr. Last but not least, Mr Schilling 392 00:43:47.310 --> 00:43:52.350 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And likewise, I, I don't have any comments or questions as well. Thank you. 393 00:43:54.630 --> 00:44:04.230 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Alright, thank you everybody. I think seen as though there have been no comments about the sign probably would move for emotion for approval. 394 00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:05.520 guy parola (DIA Staff): Mr. Chairman. Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Please 395 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.180 guy parola (DIA Staff): Sorry, this is this guy over here. 396 00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:16.920 guy parola (DIA Staff): So if we looked at the VyStar building it's 182.5 lumens spread over 661 square feet. 397 00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:20.340 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay, and then 398 00:44:20.970 --> 00:44:23.670 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mr McKenna Could you remind us what what this sign was 399 00:44:26.040 --> 00:44:26.940 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): You're still on mute. 400 00:44:28.380 --> 00:44:29.700 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): We need to meet him. 401 00:44:30.810 --> 00:44:36.210 Thomas Mckenna: The blue octagon will be at 42 lumens per square foot. 402 00:44:36.720 --> 00:44:42.090 Thomas Mckenna: And the white letters will be at 214 lumens per square foot. 403 00:44:42.990 --> 00:44:45.480 guy parola (DIA Staff): spread around the context. 404 00:44:47.550 --> 00:44:48.750 Thomas Mckenna: I'm sorry, I didn't hear you, sir. 405 00:44:49.230 --> 00:44:50.280 guy parola (DIA Staff): Over how many square feet? 406 00:44:51.600 --> 00:44:55.650 Thomas Mckenna: This sign is as roughly 445 square feet, I believe. 407 guy parola (DIA Staff): Okay. 408 00:44:59.730 --> 00:45:01.890 Thomas Mckenna: So I could have my engineer to a 409 00:45:03.390 --> 00:45:13.080 Thomas Mckenna: Combine the lumens, because the Octagon so much lower than the white letters and that may bring it down to the 180 that the other sign is maybe even lower possibly I can double check. 411 00:45:24.300 --> 00:45:29.940 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Well, let's, Mrs. Durden since you're the one who made that comment about the lumens. Do you have a response to that? 412 00:45:33.330 --> 00:45:48.420 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): It is of concern to me. I recognize, however, that this some request for the exception is very, very minor and, I believe, because of that, I will support the sign. 413 00:45:49.500 --> 00:46:05.460 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I am concerned about the ever escalating lumens, and I think that your suggestion. Mr. Chairman, to add that to the staff report for future applications is a good idea. Thank you very much. 414 00:46:07.350 --> 00:46:12.330 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I'm going to ask this question to staff. Do we have a requirement the code on the maximum lumens a sign can be? 415 00:46:15.180 --> 00:46:26.370 guy parola (DIA Staff): at ground level the ordinance code prescribes it when it's raised I'm outside of any sort of light trespass ordinances that exist, I haven't seen one. 416 00:46:28.110 --> 00:46:41.640 guy parola (DIA Staff): But in might be at least the impression I'm getting from this conversation is it might be a good idea for staff to do an inventory of what's out there and provided to the board to see if the board wants to move in any particular direction later on. 417 00:46:42.900 --> 00:46:51.240 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Yeah, perhaps we could look at that at new business at a later date, and once the staff has some time to do some research to see if we want to introduce that to provide some clarity. 418 00:46:51.540 --> 00:47:07.290 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Because I mean, honestly, as much as we've learned about lumens. I don't know if I have some clarity on a per square foot basis what that should be at what height. You know what's what's appropriate and what might be light pollution. So yeah, let's look at that at a later date. 419 00:47:09.150 --> 00:47:16.770 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right, thank you. Alright, so given we have no further discussion. Would anybody like to move a motion for approval. 420 00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:30.900 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Mr. Chairman, this is this is Bill Schilling, I was going to go ahead and make the motion and move the item DDRB 2020-007 the chase special sign exception for approval. 423 00:47:34.200 --> 00:47:36.450 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): And this is Joe Loretta make a second 424 00:47:37.740 --> 00:47:46.140 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Alright motion by Mr Schilling, second by Mr. Loretta, I will work through the board for votes Mr. Allen. 425 00:47:47.730 --> 00:47:48.540 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Approved. 426 00:47:50.040 --> 00:47:50.820 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mrs Durden 427 00:47:52.020 --> 00:47:52.530 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I. 428 00:47:53.820 --> 00:47:54.660 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mr Davisson 429 00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:01.620 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): He's on mute. 430 00:48:02.130 --> 00:48:03.780 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Give me a thumbs up or thumbs down. 431 00:48:04.050 --> 00:48:05.250 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): Approve! 432 00:48:07.350 --> 00:48:09.120 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): approved by Mr Davison. Mr. Lee. 433 00:48:10.230 --> 00:48:10.860 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Approve 434 00:48:12.600 --> 00:48:13.380 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mr. Loretta Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Approve. 435 00:48:13.890 --> 00:48:15.810 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mr Schilling Bill Schilling (DDRB Board):Approve. 436 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:25.800 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Approved and Christian Harden will approve as well. Motion carries. Thank you Mr. Brockelman. Thank you, Mr Atkins and Mr. McKenna. 437 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:26.940 Thomas Mckenna: Thank you. 438 00:48:27.930 --> 00:48:28.380 Matt Brockelman: Good to see you. 439 00:48:28.710 --> 00:48:29.100 Thomas Mckenna: Stay safe. 440 00:48:34.410 --> 00:48:49.380 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right, so next we'd like to bring up DDRB 2020-005 the Doro final approval. The applicant is Nick Hill, but we first moved to miss Radcliffe Myers from staff report. 441 00:48:50.940 --> 00:49:05.310 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Thank you again, Chairman Harden. My name is Lori Ratcliffe Meyer with the downtown Investment Authority, and I will praise Allah will be presenting a recap of DDRB application 2020-005 the Doro 442 00:49:06.030 --> 00:49:24.480 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): DDR be application 2020 005 seeks final approval for the construction of a new eight story, 247 unit mixed use development project which will include an urban open space plaza, a roof deck amenities space and interior parking 443 00:49:25.290 --> 00:49:38.010 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): At the meeting on March 12 2020 the downtown development review board voted for conceptual approval of application 2020 005 subject to the following recommendations: 444 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:45.090 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Prior to submitted for final review the developer shall meet with staff to identify any deviation sought 445 00:49:45.960 --> 00:50:01.080 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): At final review the developer shall provide enough detail so as to illustrate that the pedestrian zone meets the definition of such in the ordinance code. Streetlights benches in st furnishing Shelby placed in the amenity area. 446 00:50:02.250 --> 00:50:15.090 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Provide additional retail space entrances along a Phillip Randolph. Interactive public art public art sculptures or water features shall be placed within the urban space area. 447 00:50:16.350 --> 00:50:25.950 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Encourage the redesign of the northeast corner of the project building and incorporate characteristics of the existing Doro building 448 00:50:27.210 --> 00:50:38.610 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): The applicant address the recommendations by shifting the building toward the southern poverty line, which allowed for the pedestrian zone to meet the preferred width stated within the downtown overlay ordinance. 449 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:45.570 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Street furnishings that are in accordance with the downtown streetscape design guidelines have been added to the amenity area. 450 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:54.150 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Along with propose shade trees. The applicant redesigned the urban open space plaza by providing an area for public art. 451 00:50:54.510 --> 00:51:05.490 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Creating a feature wall which is resemblance to the existing building and enhancing the hard scape within the urban open space plaza creating visual interest on the ground plane. 452 00:51:07.650 --> 00:51:24.420 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): The applicant is not seeking any deviations from the ordinance code based on review of the project and based on the foregoing the downtown development review board staff supports final approval of DDR the application 2020-005 453 00:51:25.410 --> 00:51:34.680 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Thank you. I will now ask that Mr Guy Parola continue with additional information regarding the doro if that's okay with Chairman harden. 454 00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:39.090 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Please, Mr Parola. 455 00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:46.080 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Parola, you're on mute. If you could just say your name again before you start 456 00:51:47.040 --> 00:51:57.360 guy parola (DIA Staff): Sure. Sorry about that. Guy Parola with downtown Investment Authority and DDRB Staf.. Mr. Chairman and board members, I really just want to say a couple of things about about process. 457 00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:09.360 guy parola (DIA Staff): DDRB doesn't operate in a vacuum. In the same way, we had traffic engineering review the developments ingress and egress off Adams and a Phillip Randolph and then off of Lafayette to the back. 458 00:52:09.900 --> 00:52:17.820 guy parola (DIA Staff): We had historic preservation, you know, review the demolition we move forward with our review, you know, with an understanding that the building isn't protected. 459 00:52:18.420 --> 00:52:28.770 guy parola (DIA Staff): And I think that fact is both an objective and undisputed at this time that said staff gets and very much appreciate why people have a strong sentiments. 460 00:52:29.370 --> 00:52:33.630 guy parola (DIA Staff): Towards preserving the building and we understand it. And we're also very appreciative. 461 00:52:34.590 --> 00:52:48.150 guy parola (DIA Staff): Of those who have taken the time out of their lives to write staff to write the Council to write people and express their, their caring for downtown and this project and those who took the time out to attend this meeting and it's not lost on us. We are very much appreciative. 462 00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:56.340 guy parola (DIA Staff): Would staff had like to at least saying the street facing facades preserved and incorporated into the development. Absolutely. 463 00:52:57.270 --> 00:53:07.440 guy parola (DIA Staff): We encourage that several times in our meetings with the developer, but at the end of the day, absent historic designation protections DDRB neither the board or staff, 464 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:15.840 guy parola (DIA Staff): can compel the property owner northern developer to preserve the building, either in part or parcel and that's regardless of the outcome today. 465 00:53:16.530 --> 00:53:30.900 guy parola (DIA Staff): Finally, with your review today the ordinance code identifies development standards that we have staff and you as a board are to look at. And as Lori Radcliffe Myers has pointed out, they're not asking to deviate from those standards. 466 00:53:32.490 --> 00:53:41.940 guy parola (DIA Staff): All that said, If it pleases a chair. I'd like to thank Mr. Popoli from the historic preservation section of planning development department for attending this meeting today as well. 467 00:53:42.390 --> 00:53:47.130 guy parola (DIA Staff): He's here to answer any questions or provide for any clarifications that's that's really all I had to say. 468 00:53:49.590 --> 00:53:55.680 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. Thank you, Mr. Parola. Before we go any further, I just wanted to note that I see we have a few other 469 00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:10.890 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Attendees of the meeting that are on on the phone and I just wanted to go back to Ina our host to call out those numbers and just have the names on there in case they choose to speak on the public comment section at some point. 470 00:54:13.680 --> 00:54:20.070 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): We have a 2331758 if that person wishes to speak. Could you just say your name for the record. 471 00:54:29.220 --> 00:54:33.360 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay I can't quite hear anything. Could you Ina? 472 00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:37.350 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): No, and I unmuted them as all night I meet them back, but I can unmute again. 473 00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:44.400 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay, well let's try and we also have a 4218530 474 00:54:49.350 --> 00:54:52.800 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): If your number is 4218530 if you could say your name. 475 00:55:01.470 --> 00:55:05.490 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Well, we'll come back and say raise their hand for some reason I'm not able to hear anything. 476 00:55:05.970 --> 00:55:06.990 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I'm not able to hear either 477 00:55:07.470 --> 00:55:07.860 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair):Okay. 478 00:55:09.390 --> 00:55:19.830 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. Thank you, Mr Parola I will now hand it over to the applicant for presentation. If you could say your name, who is a presenting on behalf the applicant. 479 00:55:21.630 --> 00:55:25.740 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): My name is Nick hill with Niles Bolton associates here in Atlanta, Georgia. 480 00:55:27.270 --> 00:55:33.270 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Right. Thank you Nick. If you could go ahead and provide your presentation. Feel free to screen share at this time. If we could give him that ability. 481 00:55:44.970 --> 00:55:46.740 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Okay. Can everyone see my screen. 482 00:55:54.270 --> 00:55:54.780 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Hello. 483 00:55:55.350 --> 00:55:58.620 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Can everyone see my screen. Can you see it, Lori. 484 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:01.200 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Yes, please. 485 00:56:01.380 --> 00:56:02.070 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Please proceed. 486 00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.170 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Sorry. We were all we were all on mute. 487 00:56:04.350 --> 00:56:08.730 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Oh no, it's okay. Sorry. Alright, so there's skip all the beginnings here. 488 00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:13.050 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): So our property is located. 489 00:56:15.030 --> 00:56:21.180 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): In the stadium district beside on East Adams, A Phillip Randolph between E. Fosryth and Lafayette Street. 490 00:56:22.620 --> 00:56:24.660 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): This is an image of the location. 491 00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:37.920 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): These are some site plan and photo images of the location, showing the the ballpark office buildings. The Dora fixture building and intuition across the street. 494 00:56:48.060 --> 00:56:59.040 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): So we've provided some streetscape sections to show the the pedestrian zone from the ordinance with the eight foot sidewalk zone and the foour foot amenity zone 495 00:57:01.830 --> 00:57:17.220 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): We also show the height, where you're eight feet above that sidewalk zone here, we will be putting plantings as we go into the landscape plans will show where plantings will be and how the sidewalks will work in coordinate with the building. 496 00:57:20.730 --> 00:57:27.720 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Site geometry plan. This shows our trash receptacles our benches and our street lighting from the streetscape design guidelines. 497 00:57:29.970 --> 00:57:33.840 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): This is a consistent, we have that also shown on our 498 00:57:35.010 --> 00:57:36.510 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): pedestrian zone plans. 499 00:57:38.010 --> 00:57:41.280 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): So our landscape and hardscape plan here is that zone plan. 500 00:57:42.750 --> 00:57:50.010 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): We are keeping consistent with all of the ordinance and providing tree plantings along 501 00:57:51.090 --> 00:57:56.370 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): A Phillip Randolph and also along East Adams Street. We are 502 00:57:57.510 --> 00:58:04.770 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Providing some brickwork and some paperwork at the corner, the northeast corner. As you can see here. 503 00:58:06.300 --> 00:58:14.520 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And then where our light poles are and benches and trash receptacles they will be consistent. Forsyth street here will be, is abandoned and we are looking to turn that into an active urban zone that addresses the retail here. 505 00:58:25.710 --> 00:58:31.230 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): As we do go around on East Adams as well I want to know that we're taking the A Phillip Randolph 506 00:58:32.430 --> 00:58:40.740 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): streetscape also on the east Adams street that is not a requirement, we're doing that to create some continuity with the landscape and also 507 00:58:41.460 --> 00:58:52.620 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): That is going to be the main pedestrian zone, then we're also including some trees along Lafayette street as well so that there is a contiguous language around the property. 508 00:58:57.930 --> 00:59:10.200 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): So I'll go through the building plans here, level one, we provided a screen here for the cars. Our handicapped spaces. yYu enter in and can egress off East Adams Street. 509 00:59:10.950 --> 00:59:19.830 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): At the northeast corner that will be your main ingress, egress. But there's also one egress on to AP Randolph that can be controlled 510 00:59:20.550 --> 00:59:25.920 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): By the by the owner of the property. From there you go up into the parking 511 00:59:26.670 --> 00:59:34.380 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Up into the parking deck and there are handicapped spaces as you go up into there as well. The main interest into the building is right here the leasing 512 00:59:35.040 --> 00:59:40.290 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): One off East Adams and then another one off of the if you will call the visitor parking area. 513 00:59:41.100 --> 00:59:47.280 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): So that allow people to easily flow in and out and also get to the stadiums in the arenas that are around 514 00:59:47.910 --> 01:00:03.480 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): That then flows into an amenity area here that then also works this way into and out to the east precise Street. So there's a connection between the two spaces for residents. These are not public insurances. These are private residential insurances 515 01:00:04.740 --> 01:00:10.890 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And so, and their visitors. So, you know, there'll be secured and there'll be monitored. 516 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:27.480 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Along AP Randolph, we have an outdoor indoor amenity that is a private amenity managed by the owner. That can be many different things that they might want from Game Day events to just private events. 517 01:00:28.500 --> 01:00:29.430 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): For the residents. 518 01:00:31.080 --> 01:00:41.400 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And then as you come down. We have an access and now into the retail off AP Randolph having it in this location allows us to keep a contiguous language that you'll see in the elevations. 519 01:00:41.700 --> 01:00:48.780 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): But this also allows there to be some type of secure access to where these two doors can speak to each other. 520 01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:54.930 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And a hostess or someone can manage the space so people aren't just coming in and out at will. 521 01:00:56.460 --> 01:01:01.350 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): As you come around ease for side street, then we'll have our urban outdoor space, which you'll see shortly. 522 01:01:02.580 --> 01:01:18.480 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): There'll be a dog wash off of East Forsyth street bike storage and things of that nature. And then our units that come around the first level and the second level that are on East Forsyth and East Adam street or two story. Also, the ones on 523 01:01:20.040 --> 01:01:26.820 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Yeah, just those two streets and so that'll allow us to get some students in some locations to really bring the building down to the street edge. 524 01:01:27.780 --> 01:01:41.520 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And in make it, make it an active zone as you look up to the north on the page here you have the eight foot zone. But then we also have pulled the building bag. So we're going to have green zones within those spaces as well. 525 01:01:42.600 --> 01:01:47.880 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): So I think that'll bring a softness also to the sidewalk and make it very pedestrian friendly. 526 01:01:50.880 --> 01:02:05.040 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Will go up to level two. We have some more amenities some double heights spaces for the retail the open space below. And then these are our second story loft units. And then we start with our flats here. 527 01:02:06.120 --> 01:02:15.750 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Then we have above the podium, which would be the concrete podium, which would be level three. Our typical floor plate with one, two studios. 528 01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:32.070 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And then our typical floor plate for the parking. That would be consistent for Level four and five and six as we're going through these floors, you'll see some variation happening within the skin. I'll start. Go back to three here 529 01:02:33.390 --> 01:02:39.510 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And then that closes down. So we're trying to do things on the skin and the very the building massing 530 01:02:40.980 --> 01:02:42.030 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): To give it interest. 531 01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:54.660 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And then you get to level eight which will be our rooftop amenity retail terrace and bar retail area that will be connected down to the retail space below. 532 01:02:55.290 --> 01:03:13.080 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Given us close to around, you know, 70 7500 or so square feet or more. And then our fitness area up here, swimming pool green area green roof grilling stations, that kind of thing. So the very active zone. 533 01:03:15.990 --> 01:03:30.780 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Will go into the elevations. The North elevation. We have a mix of stucco brick its a red brick. That is a Cherokee brick that will match the the arena and the baseball stadium. 534 01:03:32.130 --> 01:03:44.250 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And then we'll have a dark charcoal Hardy, which is a seaman tissues panel. Some corrugated metal which will be the same color and then some pre cast here the stairs are open air. 535 01:03:45.660 --> 01:03:48.480 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And then we'll have storefront here and then these are our two story. 536 01:03:50.340 --> 01:03:54.060 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Down on the north northwest corner. The two story units. 537 01:04:00.180 --> 01:04:10.590 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): The East elevation. This is our main AP Randolph elevation. We've got a storefront that is consistent with the 538 01:04:12.420 --> 01:04:23.730 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): With the storefront of the past, we tried to give a repetition and consistent repetition, repetition here. We have operable pivot windows that allow us to open this up and to make it open air for that outdoor amenity space. 539 01:04:24.690 --> 01:04:33.780 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): You'll see on the corner you started getting ahead of the window spacing and the window types that we've included in this northeast corner. 540 01:04:34.470 --> 01:04:47.940 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): To be more consistent with the second level of the of the Doro building kind of bringing those elements down into there and maybe even able to utilize some of the existing brick that is there possibly 541 01:04:49.740 --> 01:04:55.890 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): As we move down, then this our new entry door into the retail will have some signage along the building. 542 01:04:57.750 --> 01:05:03.690 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And balconies. And as we get up into this era of the dark grades are the Hardy and the corrugated metals. 543 01:05:07.470 --> 01:05:08.640 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Our South elevation 544 01:05:10.530 --> 01:05:25.230 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Again corrugated balconies white stucco our stoops here that allow us to get up into these units we have quite a bit of slope actually on the side. So we're needing to get the elevation up and get people up into those units from the ground. 545 01:05:32.310 --> 01:05:33.930 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And then this is our West elevation 546 01:05:41.580 --> 01:05:57.570 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Materials board, looking at the red brick, which is that Cherokee brick. This is in place of the materials board. A corrugated metal that would be identical to this. A form line concrete. 547 01:05:58.620 --> 01:06:06.390 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): On the on the spandrel at the garage, which are the parts at the four levels on the north side. 548 01:06:07.710 --> 01:06:18.450 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And then the wood texture. We're going to get that on the pre cast is the form line pre cast wouod texture on that to bring some softness to that to that material. 549 01:06:19.890 --> 01:06:23.610 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And then fiber cement down at the street edge off of 550 01:06:26.460 --> 01:06:28.710 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Off of AP Randolph. 551 01:06:29.790 --> 01:06:35.340 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And then we're looking at a more rough brick download where we'll paint that brick white 552 01:06:37.020 --> 01:06:38.250 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): To be more consistent 554 01:06:41.460 --> 01:06:45.570 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): With the Doro white that has been known in that area. 555 01:06:48.870 --> 01:06:50.610 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Now I'll just go through the perspectives. 556 01:06:52.590 --> 01:06:53.820 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): From your northeast corner. 557 01:06:57.540 --> 01:07:04.410 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): zoom down in you can start seeing the the the hat back to the white brick and the the window patterning. 558 01:07:05.970 --> 01:07:08.070 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): We're looking at public art in this area. 559 01:07:09.120 --> 01:07:19.200 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): It's not determined. Exactly. If there's a sculpture or water feature but we we will be looking into that of what is the most appropriate and what connects to Jacksonville, the best in this area. 560 01:07:25.020 --> 01:07:30.810 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): This is Lafayette Street and East Forsyth. So this is going to be the southwest corner. 561 01:07:35.940 --> 01:07:36.960 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): A rooftop aerial 562 01:07:42.750 --> 01:07:52.890 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): The egress on this of AP Randolph street egress and then the active space here for with the pivot windows 563 01:07:57.270 --> 01:08:01.890 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): This just shows the imagery of how the windows with open and kind of how the space will be utilized 564 01:08:07.980 --> 01:08:10.080 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And this item here. 565 01:08:11.340 --> 01:08:29.610 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Is the the items action items F and items G that were in the conceptual review. And so what we've done is we hope to utilize some of the existing brick, if we can, if it's if it's feasible to construct this, if you will, art piece. 566 01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:46.890 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And throw it back to the door, building as it is and then bring in the windows with their tram with their finishes colors and make this really a community space that can be that can be utilized and appreciated. 567 01:08:51.330 --> 01:09:03.240 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And this is it at night, so we can, we're going to look at lighting it up from below. So that really has an effect at night when when a lot of the events would be happening people passing by and it becomes very, a very known space. 568 01:09:07.290 --> 01:09:11.550 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Excuse me. So the urban space. This is the 569 01:09:12.570 --> 01:09:25.770 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Forsyth street still looking to engage this to make it very active to make it very pedestrian and very urban and very usable. We think this will be a great location for many activities and for the community. 570 01:09:29.460 --> 01:09:34.410 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): And that is all I have for the presentation here so 571 01:09:35.580 --> 01:09:35.940 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Thank you. 572 01:09:37.290 --> 01:09:49.800 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. Thank you, Mr. Hill. And if you could just leave that presentation up if you don't mind, in case any of the applicant any the public comment or a the board discussion revolves around the design you have that available. 573 01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:51.960 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates - Atlanta, Ga.): Okay. 574 01:09:53.130 --> 01:09:53.550 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. 575 01:09:54.570 --> 01:10:07.110 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Let's go to public comment. See, we have a number of hands already up if you do wish to make public comment again reiterate that you will be limited to three minutes. 576 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:19.050 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Ina will be calling on you and I'm muting you for that period of time and then we will, once we finished that public comment we can refer to the emails that were sent as notes for the record. 577 01:10:20.400 --> 01:10:21.900 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So I'll hand it over to you Ina 578 01:10:22.500 --> 01:10:28.260 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Thank you. So I actually noticed that there are a handful of people that have sent emails that are also in this meeting. 579 01:10:28.590 --> 01:10:41.430 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): And I've organized the emails and the order in which I received them. If it's okay with you. I can call go down the list and call the individuals, if they are present. They can state their name and address read their comment if they are not present. I can read the comment for them. 580 01:10:42.900 --> 01:10:48.750 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Or at the very least, if they are not president, we can go to the next person here and then I will be the ones that are not present at the end. 581 01:10:49.470 --> 01:10:51.660 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): That sounds great, let's do that, I'll hand it over to you. 582 01:10:52.290 --> 01:10:58.620 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): For the first person on the list is Nancy Powell and I do know that she is here. So I will unmute her and allow her to speak. 583 01:11:04.290 --> 01:11:04.800 Nancy Powell: Hi. 584 01:11:05.820 --> 01:11:14.280 Nancy Powell: I'm Nancy Powell, how do you 1848 challenge Avenue Jacksonville, Florida, 32205. I spoke at the last meeting. 585 01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:36.150 Nancy Powell: I am the executive director of scenic Jacksonville and historic preservation is one part of our mission. The reason being that historic buildings, add to the unique character of Jacksonville. I think if you. This is a very sad day for many people given and we we understand that 586 01:11:38.220 --> 01:11:58.470 Nancy Powell: The building is historic. It was, it is not landmarked and yet it is historic. And I think the some of the frustration is that the full story hasn't been told. I'm not sure the developer even knows the full story. So with that being said, I want to, I have a concern about 587 01:11:59.490 --> 01:12:07.740 Nancy Powell: This uncertain future that we're in. news reports have stated that the developer are seeking the additional financial incentives. 588 01:12:08.430 --> 01:12:29.100 Nancy Powell: If they don't get what they need, or if their financial situation changes, you know, then what? At a very minimum, I think the DIA or the DDRB somebody needs to be taken care so that this building is not demolished and then sits there, as has happened in other parts of our city. 589 01:12:30.180 --> 01:12:41.400 Nancy Powell: So, however, that needs to happen. I know the, I don't know what the incentive, they are seeking and what their financial you know what that's all about. But I will caution you all to 590 01:12:41.940 --> 01:12:50.640 Nancy Powell: Really make sure that this building doesn't come down and then something happens so that it sits there. I think that would be the worst tragedy ever. 591 01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:56.100 Nancy Powell: I do want to make a couple of comments about the current design. 592 01:12:57.510 --> 01:13:10.200 Nancy Powell: First of all, with the trees I do see potential for shade trees. I appreciate that. I want to make sure that when you build the the structures that it really supports a large shade tree. 593 01:13:10.650 --> 01:13:26.580 Nancy Powell: I would, I would recommend we recommend against palm trees look pretty and they can look pretty right from the beginning, but they don't provide any shade or benefit to the people on the street. There's a lot of concrete shown here, and we need a lot of shade. 594 01:13:29.010 --> 01:13:35.760 Nancy Powell: I also have a concern about the corner where the Doro fixture part is 595 01:13:36.240 --> 01:13:50.730 Nancy Powell: And the fact that there's this overhang and it feels very concretely, there's because there's the overhand. There's not going to be any ability for trees and that just feels, I don't know, from a design standpoint, I don't think these overhangs are really Street. 596 01:13:55.440 --> 01:14:00.540 Nancy Powell: Friendly, but I just have a concern about that. I don't. It doesn't feel like it's a public space. 597 01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:10.080 Nancy Powell: Or or be that inviting from from that perspective. So those are my comments for the current design and, you know, I think the 598 01:14:12.150 --> 01:14:12.630 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): That's Time. 599 01:14:12.990 --> 01:14:16.920 Nancy Powell: it's unfortunate that the current building wasn't incorporated in a better way. Thank you. 600 01:14:18.480 --> 01:14:19.380 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): That was time 601 01:14:21.030 --> 01:14:22.950 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right, thank you Miss Powell. 602 01:14:24.300 --> 01:14:33.990 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next person on this list comes is Jacqui Burns and before we give her the mic. I want to note that the same exact comment was also submitted by Marciana C Rafada, Holt Knight, and James Skhan. 603 01:14:36.210 --> 01:14:46.920 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): and instead of giving each person three minutes and cutting them off. I spoke with guy. And we think it's best if we let Jackie read 604 01:14:47.430 --> 01:14:56.490 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Her statement or her email and its entirety. That way, giving all four individuals, the time that they deserve, if that's all right with you. 605 01:14:57.300 --> 01:15:00.960 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Please. All right, we'll go ahead and unmute that individual. 606 01:15:01.380 --> 01:15:01.980 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Perfect I will do that right now. 608 01:15:05.100 --> 01:15:11.010 Jacqui Burns: My name is Jackie Bernie. I'm at 3143 go more street Jacksonville 32205 609 01:15:13.650 --> 01:15:20.700 Jacqui Burns: I don't know what how much good this this is going to do, because like the decision has already been made, but 610 01:15:23.220 --> 01:15:34.500 Jacqui Burns: My viewpoint is that adaptive reuse of historic buildings is a more sustainable historically and culturally sensitive way to create new spaces in our urban areas. 611 01:15:36.090 --> 01:15:42.000 Jacqui Burns: We need to bring interest into our downtown streets. we need people to want to go there, to feel passionate about their city and their Downtown. 612 01:15:42.420 --> 01:15:50.550 Jacqui Burns: and constructing another modern high rise apartment complex with ground floor retail does not spark interest or passion. 613 01:15:51.180 --> 01:16:01.050 Jacqui Burns: I think the people of Jacksonville would much rather see the story or pictures still saved and repurposed into either small apartments, whose stories underneath or 614 01:16:02.100 --> 01:16:04.380 Jacqui Burns: Other options that other people have already come up with 615 01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:21.570 Jacqui Burns: I'm sure I understand why the building was not identified as a historic landmark. To begin with, on many forms from the DIA dating back to the 1980s has been identified for its local historic significance, but not become eligible for preservation 616 01:16:23.400 --> 01:16:28.110 Jacqui Burns: Just because it wasn't built by famous architects does not make it unworthy of preservation 617 01:16:29.490 --> 01:16:35.190 Jacqui Burns: It might be past that point at this point. But if we can identify this as a historic landmark as it should have been. 618 01:16:36.300 --> 01:16:50.280 Jacqui Burns: Many years ago, then we, it would be more economically feasible to renovate it and historically sensitive way. I mean Jacksonville our sub we have a grant for historic renovation and they're also federal level grants. 619 01:16:52.800 --> 01:17:03.210 Jacqui Burns: A quote from Ada Louise Huxtable: “What we need is continuity . . . historic preservation is not sentimentality but a psychological necessity. We must learn to cherish history and to preserve worthy old buildings . . . we must learn how to preserve them, not as pathetic museum pieces, but by giving them new uses." 621 01:17:14.700 --> 01:17:21.630 Jacqui Burns: Jacksonville has a history of demolishing beautiful buildings and turning them into surface parking lots, or worse, empty field. 622 01:17:22.080 --> 01:17:28.140 Jacqui Burns: A high rise apartment building which may look good may look good on paper is also not a very good solution. 623 01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:35.820 Jacqui Burns: Think about the high rise apartments in the Brooklyn area - what kind of culture have they brought to the area? Just a culture of failed businesses coming in and out of the ground level retail spaces. No one decides they want to go to Brooklyn for those spaces. They just drive by it on their way to Five Points, or King Street, or Murray Hill, all of which have re-used historical buildings to create a culture that people love and come from all over the city to experience. I don't really understand why no one in the DIA or DDRB realizes that if we just took the buildings that we already have - albeit a limited amount since so many of them have been demolished - and re-purpose those, it would breathe new life into Downtown. I would urge you to Stop considering things that look good on paper and start thinking about what's actually best for our dying Downtown and the people who want to make it better. 629 01:18:22.770 --> 01:18:27.450 Jacqui Burns: And I know that email was kind of a. So, respectfully, that is it. 630 01:18:30.210 --> 01:18:33.330 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Thank you. Thank you, Mrs burns. We appreciate appreciate your time. 631 01:18:35.130 --> 01:18:43.530 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): The next person on the list is Erin DuPristle and I do not believe Erin is on the call, unless it is one of the phone numbers. 632 01:18:44.820 --> 01:18:46.500 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): So we can save that for the end 633 01:18:48.060 --> 01:18:54.150 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): STEVE WILLIAMS IS ALSO following Erin and I don't believe that Steve is on the call either 634 01:19:02.580 --> 01:19:05.100 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next person is Mark Gephardt and he is not 635 01:19:06.990 --> 01:19:20.520 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): here as well. So it looks like, actually, a lot of the people that are next on my list or not here. So I see for four different hands raised and can go there and then move forward with my list just to allow those people present. Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay let's do that. 636 01:19:22.500 --> 01:19:25.680 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Cindy Corey, I will lower your hand and I'll unmute you now. 637 01:19:32.250 --> 01:19:36.540 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Cindy, if you could state your name and address for the record and provide your comments. 638 01:19:37.530 --> 01:19:38.460 Cindy Corey: Yeah. Can you hear me. Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): We can. 639 01:19:39.060 --> 01:19:44.880 Cindy Corey: Okay, great. It Cindy Corey at 908 Ionian street Jacksonville. 640 01:19:45.930 --> 01:19:57.900 Cindy Corey: Um, thank you to the DDRB and other staff members and folks for this opportunity to share some my thoughts. I'm not here to make comments or 641 01:19:58.950 --> 01:20:04.680 Cindy Corey: To give any design input into this building. It sounds impressive and it looks interesting. 642 01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:19.560 Cindy Corey: But I think it's in the wrong place. I'm here as an advocate for preservation for urban area. I'm a real estate agent who've been doing this for a number of years. I'm an advocate for our 643 01:20:20.070 --> 01:20:31.050 Cindy Corey: Historic Jacksonville downtown and I lived at the beach for over 3 decades couldn't quite get that out and now I live downtown or in the urban area. 644 01:20:32.430 --> 01:20:49.800 Cindy Corey: I'm appalled at how quickly we're losing historic fabric that's so beautiful and admirable and I think the dura fixture building as part of that historic fabric. I am concerned that the city staff, the HPC the DDRB the DIA 645 01:20:50.940 --> 01:21:00.900 Cindy Corey: Although there have been three history surveys of this particular building have failed to land market or protec it. We've had plenty of opportunity to do that. 646 01:21:01.410 --> 01:21:13.980 Cindy Corey: Now I become involved with a local group called mapping Jax. I'm sure you've heard of it. And I did so because I saw some other buildings that were destroyed recently and I just couldn't understand how that happens. So I found out, and I am 647 01:21:18.120 --> 01:21:30.090 Cindy Corey: I would like to see us hold this I would like us to set this aside and explain why we are allowing a developer from out of town to take one of our historic buildings and demolish it for their new 648 01:21:30.420 --> 01:21:42.030 Cindy Corey: high rise apartment building. we're not building something unique in its place demolition should be something as a last resort. And if we allow this to continue pattern. 649 01:21:43.050 --> 01:21:55.890 Cindy Corey: We're going to destroy or erase our unique historic Jacksonville skyline and buildings like Jacqui just said, people don't come to areas because of new apartment complexes, they come 650 01:21:56.160 --> 01:22:13.020 Cindy Corey: To see the unique character of a city and all of us experience that and we pick our travels and we pick our destinations because of that. we want to see authenticity in our communities. We want to see things that connect us to the stories of our past and our and as we go through. 651 01:22:23.940 --> 01:22:24.690 Cindy Corey: This building 652 01:22:31.980 --> 01:22:34.980 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Cindy We're losing you a little bit. I think your services are going out so 653 01:22:35.130 --> 01:22:37.170 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): We're not able to hear you quite clearly 654 01:22:37.260 --> 01:22:52.140 Cindy Corey: So many other shops and I don't feel is kind of game. My point is, is that, you know, I've seen religious on by, I can. I'm saying right. I do not want to see it join a list of all the other buildings that have been demolished. I think this should be be reconsidered final approval. 655 01:22:53.220 --> 01:22:54.180 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): That's time 656 01:22:55.620 --> 01:22:57.120 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Cindy. Thank you for your time. 657 01:22:58.380 --> 01:22:59.610 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Yes, next person is 658 01:23:00.630 --> 01:23:01.740 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Genevieve Fletcher. 659 01:23:05.310 --> 01:23:06.180 Genevieve Fletcher: Hello can you hear me. 660 01:23:06.930 --> 01:23:07.470 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Yes, yeah. 661 01:23:07.530 --> 01:23:14.550 Genevieve Fletcher: Thank you. Okay. My name is Genevieve Fletcher 814 East Coast drive Atlantic Beach, Florida 32233 662 01:23:16.170 --> 01:23:20.520 Genevieve Fletcher: I've prepared some comments echoing A lot of what Already has been said. 663 01:23:22.410 --> 01:23:28.530 Genevieve Fletcher: Our architectural history is a sense of pride for our city and citizens like me and many others. 664 01:23:30.210 --> 01:23:37.830 Genevieve Fletcher: The city can and has the responsibility to protect its heritage and the economic attraction that comes with adaptive reuse. 665 01:23:39.090 --> 01:23:50.280 Genevieve Fletcher: Of its historic buildings. I implore all of you to take a look at a comprehensive strategy to incentivize adaptive reuse of Jacksonville's historic buildings such as the Doro. 666 01:23:51.690 --> 01:24:04.140 Genevieve Fletcher: To foster a vibrant and walkable downtown these monuments with their art, their architecture their stories about our shared history will play an important role and attracting visitors and residents to our city. 667 01:24:05.130 --> 01:24:12.990 Genevieve Fletcher: Please deny the destruction of the Doro. We must stop this domino effect before we lose these special places. Thank you. 668 01:24:16.620 --> 01:24:18.000 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Alright, thank you, Mrs Fletcher. 669 01:24:19.350 --> 01:24:21.240 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next person is Shannon O'Leary 670 01:24:24.690 --> 01:24:31.950 Shannon O'Leary : Shannon I'Leary. 1722 Edgewood Avenue South Jacksonville, Florida 32205 671 01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:51.210 Shannon O'Leary : I've actually never done one of these before. I've never been involved in politics and I've been in Jacksonville for 10 years now moving from New York City, and this was sort of the straw that broke the camel's back when I heard that this was happening, I implore 672 01:24:52.650 --> 01:24:56.070 Shannon O'Leary : The DIA and and other organizations to consider 673 01:24:57.450 --> 01:25:06.840 Shannon O'Leary : Just putting this back you know into a brainstorming session and to not have this building demoed. it's honestly a travesty. 674--- 01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:20.880 Shannon O'Leary : It. I've seen it happen. Way too many times. And this is just where maybe not even for us, but for our children. I have three kids. I live in the historic district. It's something that I want my children to see 675 01:25:23.250 --> 01:25:35.880 Shannon O'Leary : I just think this is such an important issue and I I truly feel like it will be regreted. And for that reason, I just implore you and ask you to reconsider asked to put together 676 01:25:36.420 --> 01:25:48.570 Shannon O'Leary : A task force on how it could be done. And again, I'm in business development in medical standpoint I get that you want economic viability and Jacksonville and I'm all for conscious capitalism. 677 01:25:49.050 --> 01:26:02.130 Shannon O'Leary : But right now nobody wants to see a new apartment building. Nobody. nobody's going to come downtown for that they come for a tree lined streets they come for beautiful old buildings Savannah, Charleston, Manhattan. 678 01:26:02.610 --> 01:26:16.140 Shannon O'Leary : Rockland Maine. I mean, all of these places. If you truly believe in the economic viability and sustainability of Jacksonville, Florida, then please please reconsider a thought for Austin for for future generations. 679 01:26:19.770 --> 01:26:27.120 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay. Thank you, Mrs. O'Leary. do we have any other further public comment. I don't see any other hands have got one more see Brittany Norris. 680 01:26:30.900 --> 01:26:31.980 Brittany Norris: Hey, thank you guys. 681 01:26:32.400 --> 01:26:43.440 Brittany Norris: My name is Brittany Norris. I live at 1183 violet Street in Atlantic Beach, Florida. I just wanted to share. I guess I'm sort of surprised and disappointed at the lack of historic designation for the Doro building 682 01:26:44.700 --> 01:26:50.160 Brittany Norris: Feel like that's a sort of an oversight on the city's part that that wasn't taking care of before This came started to happen. 683 01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:54.570 Brittany Norris: I do want to Miss Powells comments asking for due diligence prevent 684 01:26:55.440 --> 01:27:02.670 Brittany Norris: Another hole in our urban landscape and be really sad to see city of Jacksonville for green light the demolition of another building 685 01:27:03.030 --> 01:27:16.230 Brittany Norris: And then nothing happen. We have so much open space that I think would be an excellent fit for a project like this, it's for surprises me that we're focusing on a building that could be adapted to some other multi-use purpose. 686 01:27:17.610 --> 01:27:23.460 Brittany Norris: I think I'm also concerned to about the cookie cutter nature of these apartments. It looks like a lot of fun. A rooftop pool is dope. 687 01:27:23.850 --> 01:27:29.160 Brittany Norris: But I see the same apartments going up in Nashville and Atlanta and there's not much creativity happening here. 688 01:27:30.120 --> 01:27:40.350 Brittany Norris: I'm worried about their sustainability, the quality of the buildings, their long term, long term impact and making like 50 years plus I hope to be here 50 years. I'm not sure that building will be. 689 01:27:41.400 --> 01:27:51.420 Brittany Norris: It would be excellent to see the developers going forward to have to, and maybe in the facades even to carry forward features or color palettes of the original buildings. 690 01:27:52.080 --> 01:27:59.520 Brittany Norris: Especially if they can't even save physical brick and mortar pieces but some sort of shout out to the history of the building the history of our city. 691 01:27:59.880 --> 01:28:04.080 Brittany Norris: I am grateful to see the developers considering some place making like with the pedestrian area. 692 01:28:04.770 --> 01:28:11.340 Brittany Norris: That being said, and probably echoing Miss Powells comments. Again, I think there's a lot of opportunity here for far more greenery. 693 01:28:12.150 --> 01:28:24.450 Brittany Norris: also active in the comments to about the palm trees, it'd be great if they could focus on some native species. Species that will also provide a lot more shade. I don't know why people in Florida Keep going for palm trees that's technically not like 694 01:28:25.500 --> 01:28:29.250 Brittany Norris: One of our native species. So, but that's it. Thank you for allowing the time to talk. 695 01:28:31.590 --> 01:28:38.490 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right, thank you. Let's see, we have see we have more more that's raised hands. So Grace Schumacher. 696 01:28:41.100 --> 01:28:41.940 Grace Schumacher : Am I on? 697 01:28:42.810 --> 01:28:43.470 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): You're on, live. 698 01:28:43.680 --> 01:28:56.190 Grace Schumacher : Hey I'm Grace Schumacher. I live in Avondale I'm actually out walking currently enjoying our beautiful historic neighborhoods. I actually was just in downtown walking around. 699 01:28:56.850 --> 01:29:03.060 Grace Schumacher : And I just want to echo. I have been born and raised in Jacksonville and 700 01:29:03.870 --> 01:29:16.410 Grace Schumacher : I have seen this domino effect. Start that's been mentioned, and I don't want to see it continue it needs to end and I was a history major Jacksonville has such a unique culture and history. 701 01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:21.780 Grace Schumacher : And if we continue knocking down these buildings that make up our city. 702 01:29:22.320 --> 01:29:30.720 Grace Schumacher : What are we going to have to offer what the bold new city of the South doesnt it have to be cookie cutter apartment complexes. Nobody's going to come for that. 703 01:29:31.440 --> 01:29:40.830 Grace Schumacher : It's going to be tree lined streets that were mentioned, it's going to be these beautiful, gorgeous buildings, just because Klutho didn't 704 01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:51.810 Grace Schumacher : Design this building or design other buildings, doesn't mean it doesn't belong on the historical register. So please, please, strongly consider 705 01:29:52.320 --> 01:30:01.320 Grace Schumacher : adaptive reuse. I really, really encourage you to do that because of sustainability purposes, that's been a landmark in the neighborhood. 706 01:30:01.860 --> 01:30:10.860 Grace Schumacher : And I just really hope the developer really considers adaptive reuse because Jacksonville needs to stop having parking lots 707 01:30:11.310 --> 01:30:21.690 Grace Schumacher : and greenery spaces because they just simply don't know what to do with these buildings. adaptivly reuse them and make them usable by the members of our community. Thank you. 708 01:30:26.100 --> 01:30:28.380 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. Thank you. Thank you for that as well. 709 01:30:30.030 --> 01:30:36.120 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I do want to recognize that I'm sorry for just bringing this up with Jason Teal from office, the general counsel is here and President 710 01:30:36.270 --> 01:30:37.740 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Another member of our staff. 711 01:30:38.910 --> 01:30:48.900 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay. Do we have any further comment if we do not, then, you know, do you want to read the emails for the folks that weren't here to read them on on there for themselves. 712 01:30:49.290 --> 01:30:57.750 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Yes, I will start with Mark gephardt at 1045 Oak Street Jacksonville, Florida 32204. 713 01:30:58.980 --> 01:31:08.880 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I’m with Steve (see copy of his post on Facebook)! Please STOP demolishing historic buildings. New buildings should encompass the old structure’s striking features intact, renovated, and force new construction projects to BUILD AROUND the historic buildings. Keep the historic buildings intact for us to enjoy Jacksonville’s history. He then shared Steve William's post that he mentioned above. I wake up every day and wonder where I am. my grandfather and grandmother are turning over in their graves. The architects of our past are throwing up looking down on us. WHY WHY WHY is tear down the only thing that seemingly sets us apart from the rest of the world. PLEASE HELP US FIGHT. this isn’t right nor is it interesting nor is it creative. if any news outlets see this, please please pick it up. WE MUST STOP THE DESTRUCTION of our historic properties and our story in general. please email your council people, DDRB, historic preservation commission and the mayor’s office to voice your opposition of these tear downs........NAMELY THE DORO which is going to be sign sealed and delivered tomorrow at 2pm via a zoom meeting. see info below to sign on, voice your opposition and save our history, our community and our story. 720 01:32:09.870 --> 01:32:18.930 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): That's that for that one. Thank you. The next comment is from Erin Dupristle at 1752 Clemson Road 32217 721 01:32:19.620 --> 01:32:28.680 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Please save this historic building. There are so many things that can be done in our unique old spaces. We don't do ourselves any favors having every building look the same. Keep Jacksonville. Interesting. 722 01:32:29.970 --> 01:32:40.380 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): End comment. Next comment is from Steve Williams. 723 01:32:40.860 --> 01:32:50.310 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): To members of the City Council, DDRB, DIA, HPC, and the Jacksonville Mayor, I am writing today in protest of the unthoughtful demolition of our city’s historic buildings. The events that have happened surrounding The Doro building show a larger issue of the City of Jacksonville being inefficient in providing protections for historic buildings. Like other structures in our area, The Doro building, which was built in 1903, is significant to the history and beauty of our community. By giving The Doro building a local landmarking designation it can be protected from demolition. We have a common goal of growing our city so our community can thrive, but I do not agree that we are going about that in the right way. Our historical structures are a large part of our unique culture and history here in Jacksonville, and will be valuable as we work together to grow areas that interest visitors and citizens. Community members such as myself and other members of Mapping Jax urge you to consider postponing the demolition of the Doro district to properly look into the possibility of it becoming a local landmark. Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): End comment. Next comment is from john Aloska that 1836 Naldo Ave 730 01:33:39.240 --> 01:33:46.230 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): To the members of the DDRB, I am quite disappointed that yet again we are on the way to destroying another perfectly good piece of our city’s fabric. As I know many of you have traveled the world and country, I need not remind you that the best cities—those we aspire to—preserve their history. I am sad that we still have not learned from our aspirations and previous mistakes, and that the building can not be better incorporated into the design. A walk of white brick is nothing. This Board is an invaluable asset to this community, and you do important work for our community, but please take the feedback you have heard from many of us seriously. 734 01:34:16.890 --> 01:34:27.090 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next comment is from Julie king. 735 01:34:27.450 --> 01:34:33.870 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I am a 4th generation Jacksonville native and I love our city. This city and it’s buildings and architecture remind me of my parents, grand parents and great grandparents. The ones who worked in this city. My grandfather was a JTA bus driver. My mother worked in department stores downtown and Standard Oil. My father worked in several historic buildings that have already been torn down. Cities across America are building and designing new structures to make them look old and with character. But our Jacksonville leaders want to tear everything down that has history and character. We need to preserve our past. We need to appreciate the quality workmen-ship of our previous generations. People took pride in what they built. Today most builders are only concerned with the quickest way to build at the lowest price. That does not breed quality. If we allow developers to come in and take what is rightfully our heritage and we actually pay them to do it, we will be just another cookie cutter city. There is plenty of land that does not have historical buildings available for new builds. Any builder that comes here should have to design and develop without tearing down. When houses were being refurbished in the Springfield area around 1999 and 2000, there were strict guidelines builders had to adhere to. Why aren’t other builders having to adhere to preservation guidelines? 744 01:35:32.010 --> 01:35:38.280 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next comment is from Christine Hoffman at 1026 13 street North Jacksonville Beach. 745 01:35:39.810 --> 01:35:47.850 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): We have a fleeting opportunity to take advantage of the few historic buildings left in our community. Cities around the world are thinking creatively about how to bring in the new, but also retain the unique, interesting and historic. Buildings like this provide a rich landscape that is attractive to businesses, residents and visitors. I refuse to accept that Jacksonville cannot be one of those places. Jacksonville is not structured to properly consider the historic value of structures such as the Doro Fixtures building and that needs to change. It's too late for hundreds of buildings already but it is not too late for this one. Please hit pause and make sure you are doing the right thing. Once it's gone, its gone. 749 01:36:17.010 --> 01:36:17.520 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): End comment. 750 01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:28.590 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next comment is from Megan Johnson at West 12th Street. 751 01:36:28.980 --> 01:36:38.370 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): As a resident and homeowner in the Springfield historic district, I'd like to express my concern over the destruction of the Doro property. These types of buildings are what give a city it's "feel." I agree that we need housing downtown, but there seems to be ample empty lots or otherwise unused non-historic buildings available. Especially for a project that is not guaranteed to go forward, this seems like a bad business deal for the city. 753 01:36:44.940 --> 01:36:45.750 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): End comment. 754 01:36:46.980 --> 01:36:57.690 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next comment is from John Erstling at 3320 riverside Avenue. I am ready to express my passionate opposition to the demolition of the doro of fixtures building 755 01:36:58.080 --> 01:37:04.080 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): For the reasons stated by many this building represents the history and aesthetics of what characterizes our city and downtown 756 01:37:04.680 --> 01:37:20.910 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): We are removing our identity and the uniqueness of our architecture by permitting this building to be torn down. I encourage the DDRB to not allow this demolition. End comment. Next comment is john grant at 235 I'm sorry 2359 College Street. 757 01:37:21.990 --> 01:37:30.420 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I'm writing to express my displeasure at tearing down yet another historic building to make way for some god awful ugly apartment complex, specifically the doro building 758 01:37:30.870 --> 01:37:46.710 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I have lived in Jacksonville for a long time writing software before that my father was a bankruptcy attorney and practice at 112 West Adam street for 25 years. You guys are tearing down Jacksonville and putting up a really ugly cheap apartments to benefit, who exactly? End comment. 759 01:37:47.820 --> 01:37:52.710 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next comment is from Emily Taylor at 408 Ocean Front Neptune beach 760 01:37:54.090 --> 01:38:00.960 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I am a lifelong resident of the beaches and have been involved with our beaches Historical Museum for over 25 years. we have worked 761 01:38:01.440 --> 01:38:07.230 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): diligently to save as many historic buildings as possible. Sadly, before the museum was established many beautiful, 762 01:38:08.040 --> 01:38:16.710 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): historic buildings were torn down for no reason. I am voicing my concern about the doro block and asking that it remained intact as a historical landmark. any consideration will be appreciated. 763 01:38:17.790 --> 01:38:30.570 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): End comment. The next comment is from Susan Cavan, who is actually on the call right now, Susan, if you would like to speak, you're welcome to. Otherwise, I can read your email for you. 764 01:38:39.480 --> 01:38:41.220 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Okay. I will begin reading. 765 01:38:43.230 --> 01:38:51.960 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Dear DDRB Members, I would like to thank you all for serving on the DDRB you have a serious task to help Jacksonville attain a high standard for good design and scenic beauty. 766 01:38:52.770 --> 01:39:04.530 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): You understand that Jacksonville cannot adequately compete for new businesses or residents, unless it's projects, unless it projects a pride and its appearance and respect for its history. The basic component of all successful communities. 767 01:39:05.250 --> 01:39:13.530 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): For this reason, I hope you will ask the Niles Bolton associates and Rise to modify its plan for the door property preserving the classic facade of the main building 768 01:39:13.860 --> 01:39:16.590 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): And putting their mixed use development around and behind it. 769 01:39:17.250 --> 01:39:25.410 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Years ago, when the city decided to build the veterans veterans arena, ballpark and parking garages on J. Phillip Randolph our then mayor, Ed Austin. 770 01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:29.460 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): realize the importance and making these new building sit comfortably next to 771 01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:39.000 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Old St. Andrew's church and other structures. So he matched a small red brick design us on the older buildings and use it for the facade of the new ones making the area look like a neighborhood. 772 01:39:39.930 --> 01:39:48.450 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Making it visually interesting and appealing to the many visitors who attended events. It is this kind of detail that makes the street seem comfortable, attractive. 773 01:39:48.930 --> 01:39:52.590 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): And set it apart. As President of the scenic Jacksonville incorporated 774 01:39:52.920 --> 01:40:02.040 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I joined my board of directors and urging you to insist that the lovely old facade of the doro building be preserved. It would be complete, it would complete the effort to make J Philip Ranolph Boulevard 775 01:40:02.460 --> 01:40:08.190 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): A distinctive location. As you can see a great effort has already been made to preserve the design of the 776 01:40:08.640 --> 01:40:18.900 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Original buildings on the street. This is because the city then realize that they were important cultural assets, just as others thriving cities protect their unique historic properties in similar fashion. 777 01:40:20.700 --> 01:40:31.950 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): As the sites in this area or develop the distinctive scenic character of the streets will be even more important. please stand up for Jacksonville on guard our special places that have economic and cultural value they can never be replaced. 778 01:40:33.240 --> 01:40:33.750 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): End comment. 779 01:40:35.130 --> 01:40:38.670 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next comment is from Kevin O'Halloran. 780 01:40:39.990 --> 01:40:49.890 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I would like to make a public comment to the DIA and DDRB regarding the proposed demolition of the historic Doro building. While I support the proposed use and believe we need more housing downtown, I also believe the DIA should OPPOSE the demolition aspect of this project and require the developer to at least substantially retain the historic structure. While the building might not technically be designated as historic, there is no question that a 100+ year old structure in such a prominent location, with special architectural design and a link to a long-standing prominent business is a huge contributor to Jax’s urban fabric and more than worthy of being saved. There are countless examples from other cities and even here of building facades being maintained and adapted to new uses. On top of all of this, the developer seems to be seeking city funds. If this is the case, there should absolutely be no question that the historic facade should be maintained. 786 01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:30.420 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): End comment. 787 01:41:32.130 --> 01:41:34.410 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next comment is from Deborah Early 788 01:41:37.290 --> 01:41:45.930 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I am an engaged citizen of Jacksonville with a reverence for historic buildings and one of many citizens who are increasingly passionate about Jacksonville’s historic architecture. I would like to make several arguments in favor of preserving/repurposing the DORO Fixtures Building at 128 A. Philip Randolph Blvd. A) Historic quality: The building has already been identified as “one of the best preserved commercial buildings along Florida Ave" (now A. Philip Randolph Blvd) according to historian Wayne Wood in his book, Jacksonville’s Architectural Heritage (pg.222). It is the last surviving mixed-use commercial storefront from what was once East Jacksonville. It was continuously occupied from around 1920 to 2016 and as the Doro Fixture company for 50 years. On May 13th, Jacksonville Historical Society released their annual list of Jacksonville’s Most Endangered Buildings starting with the Doro Fixtures building. https://www.jaxhistory.org/endangered-historic-structures/ B) Among Oldest Buildings: The DDRB Application 2020-05 INCORRECTLY identifies the building as being built in 1914. According to Wayne Wood and the Jacksonville Historical Society, the building was built in 1904 approximately 3 years after the Great Fire of 1901. This timing puts the Doro Building in the same timeframe as First Baptist Hobson Auditorium (on the historic register), built in 1904 also in response to the loss of the prior church structure in the Great Fire. Regardless of whether the building currently has a historic designation, how many buildings remain that were first to be built after the Great Fire therefore among Jacksonville’s oldest buildings? Misidentifying the year of construction (by 10 years) causes me to question whether the DDRB has accurately gauged the historical significance of the property given that it is the last of its kind with an important business story in Jacksonville! C) "DORO District" location: The building is located in a growing entertainment area where the majority of the development will be new. The Intuition Ale Company and Manifest Distilling occupy a rehabilitated loft building on the corner of Bay and A. Philip Randolph is described as “part of the Doro District of downtown.” One block away, the Baseball Grounds (2003), home of the Jumbo Shrimp, although new, used an old fashioned design with a brick facade to ”remind fans of yesteryear” according to the team website. In the Doro building, “yesteryear” is REAL and provides an historic anchor for the area along with it’s neighbors. The building proposed by the developer looks completely out of place with it’s historic neighbors and fails to adequately incorporate the DORO facade as requested. As a native Chicagoan, I love my adopted city in part because we have more buildings built before 1967 than any other city in Florida. We have a fascinating history and a unique opportunity to preserve it. Should we continue to tear down parts of Jacksonville’s architectural history for cookie cutter construction that can be seen anywhere in America? Savannah and Charleston are (TIME, REST OF EMAIL INCLUDED FOR RECORDS PURPOSES): not major tourist attractions thanks to developers razing historic buildings. PLEASE be guardians of the unique story our architectural history provides. DON'T GIVE IT AWAY to the highest bidder. Once it’s gone…..it’s gone forever. 806 01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:40.680 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): That's time 807 01:44:45.450 --> 01:44:49.320 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next comment is from Carol Lombardo from Jax Beach. 808 01:44:54.300 --> 01:44:59.910 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): One of the last beautiful old iconic buildings in Jax needs to be part of the redevelopment plan for these 809 01:45:00.300 --> 01:45:09.660 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Bland looking generic condos slated to replace it. It should not be torn down rather honored as a distinguished architecture it is. incorporating the Dora would add interest in value to 810 01:45:10.230 --> 01:45:17.730 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): An otherwise media mediocre project. There's still time to put the brakes on tearing down the door status statement. I've written in a while. End comment. 811 01:45:19.380 --> 01:45:21.330 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next comment is from Benjamin Allen 812 01:45:24.570 --> 01:45:36.390 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I was recently made aware that there are plans to demolish the historic Dora fixtures building and replace it with a high rise apartment complex with ground level retail space. This is a mistake and I urge you to reconsider. 813 01:45:36.990 --> 01:45:43.860 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): The greenest possible building is one that is already there and Jacksonville already has an affordable housing program that will not be 814 01:45:46.200 --> 01:45:48.960 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Sorry, that would not be disrupted by more luxury housing. 815 01:45:49.470 --> 01:45:57.840 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): The better solution would be to keep the building itself but rehabilitate the inside as a studio or single room occupancy apartments for the urban poor and administrative by JHA. 816 01:45:58.530 --> 01:46:05.880 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Historic Preservation is important. historic buildings create a sense of place and identity in a community that souless new construction simply doesn't 817 01:46:06.270 --> 01:46:12.930 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): The door fixtures building has been considered for historic preservation for 40 years. that it hasn't been preserved is completely baffling to me. 818 01:46:13.260 --> 01:46:25.050 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): There are so many buildings in the downtown area that could be repurposed into housing or community space rather than destroyed. Don't throw away the city's history under the proverbial bus because then you were 819 01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:38.910 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): You were collectively dazzled by a fancy architectural rendering and promises of revitalization that don't come true. All that arises out of this is gentrification, which is bad for the people who live in effect communities and back for the city's long term economic growth. 820 01:46:40.290 --> 01:46:40.800 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): End comments. 821 01:46:43.110 --> 01:46:45.450 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next comment is from Mark Stuart. 822 01:46:47.130 --> 01:46:58.410 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I just learned the doro building is at risk of being lost forever, even though it is likely to meet criteria for the historical preservation. I'm certainly not want to hinder development as it is the root of growth and prosperity and community. 823 01:46:58.830 --> 01:47:08.130 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): However, preserving our past even small parts like the Doro creates an invaluable legacy people cannot buy history, it only exists if we preserve it. End comment. 824 01:47:09.450 --> 01:47:15.210 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Next comment is Brett Nolan at 259 stone circle stone Creek circle. I'm Sorry. 825 01:47:16.470 --> 01:47:23.280 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Chairman Harden, I am writing today in objection to 2020 - 005 regarding the demolition of the historic Doro Fixtures building. While I understand that not all buildings of this complex are deemed historic, I think it would be a fair compromise with the developers to incorporate the original 1903 building into the development. Historic buildings add value to our city's identity. They make our city unique and bring interest into our Downtown streets. we need people to want to go there, to feel passionate about their city and their Downtown, and constructing another modern high rise apartment complex with ground floor retail does not spark interest or passion. (from email for record): I am asking the board members of the Downtown Development Review Board to reconsider this request for final approval and to urge them to fight for our historic buildings. 827 01:47:52.740 --> 01:47:57.390 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): And I have a couple more that I received right when the meeting began 830 01:47:58.650 --> 01:48:01.320 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): And the first is from Alan bliss. 831 01:48:02.640 --> 01:48:15.570 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Please let the board know that the Jacksonville Historical Society stands with those who seek to preserve at least some components of the Doro Fixtures Building. The owner’s demolition proposal was a surprise, and accordingly we have added the property to the JHS’s “Most Endangered Buildings List” for 2020, released this week.Preservation of the Doro building would lend critical authenticity to the east side sports / entertainment district of Downtown. 833 01:48:32.820 --> 01:48:35.130 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): The next comment is from Bill Delaney. 834 01:48:36.510 --> 01:48:42.600 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): I'm writing as one of the owners of TheJaxsonMag.com, a member of the Mapping Jax advisory committee, and a concerned citizen. While I understand the position DDRB is in on the Doro proposal, I want to register my concern about the two oldest buildings being demolished to make way for the prospective new development. It is concerning that the city has never evaluated the buildings on whether they meet the requirements for local landmarking, especially as the city has in its hand three reports on the George Doro Fixture building dating as far back as 1989 that suggest it may meet the requirements as per Chapter 307.104 of the local ordinance code. A look into the building's history and condition compared to other buildings that have been landmarked show it should easily pass 4-5 of the seven criteria of the local policy, enough for it to be landmarked. This is an issue that goes beyond just the Doro building and will continue negatively impacting downtown decision making. Linked here is a fuller piece from The Jaxson on the issue of local landmarking and the Doro. (from email for record): https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/did-jax-drop-the-ball-on-doro-historic-designation/ 840 01:49:33.450 --> 01:49:36.900 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): End comment. that is the last one. 841 01:49:38.550 --> 01:49:50.430 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right, thank you. And I very much appreciate you reading all those. I know there was a lot lot to cover. So, on behalf of the Board and the public, especially those who weren't here and able to participate today. Thank you again for that. 842 01:49:51.690 --> 01:49:54.240 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Alright, so I would give the 843 01:49:55.560 --> 01:50:00.270 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Applicant a chance to respond to those comments before we move to the board discussion. 844 01:50:02.190 --> 01:50:04.140 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Who will be speaking on behalf of the applicant. 845 01:50:06.210 --> 01:50:12.720 Matt Marshall: Matt Marshall with Rise real estate. I'll speak first and then I believe Mr Paul Harden will say a few words. 846 01:50:14.640 --> 01:50:20.280 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right, Mr. Marshall. Thank you. If you could again, state your name and address and then respond to those comments. 847 01:50:20.820 --> 01:50:29.940 Matt Marshall: Sure. My name is Matt Marshall and vice president of development for Rise Real Estate and reside at 805 Crosby town road in Quitman, Georgia. 848 01:50:31.980 --> 01:50:42.090 Matt Marshall: My comments will be brief. First of all, I want to thank the community and appreciate their thoughts and candor into the historic nature 849 01:50:43.380 --> 01:50:52.170 Matt Marshall: of the uilding it did not go unnoticed. From the time that I first started receiving these until now. So we certainly appreciate those and respect those 850 01:50:53.460 --> 01:50:55.170 Matt Marshall: You know, at Rise, 851 01:50:57.030 --> 01:51:11.220 Matt Marshall: We in fact actually reside in a corporate office that we rehabbed ourselves and utilize historic tax credits, we understand how to take an older building and keep it and to make it useful again. 852 01:51:12.390 --> 01:51:25.410 Matt Marshall: So that's something that we have done and we looked into those in the future, even with apartments. I will say that for this particular structure to do an adaptive reuse really in our 853 01:51:26.550 --> 01:51:35.670 Matt Marshall: Business model would be a very, very small development to pursue and it would not make sense for us to do that, you're probably looking at when we looked at the building. 854 01:51:35.940 --> 01:51:46.680 Matt Marshall: We thought maybe you could do 20 apartments, maybe 30 apartments and it, but it was relatively small. So that's not something for us that made sense. And then in terms of 855 01:51:47.790 --> 01:51:55.710 Matt Marshall: Looking at preserving the existing facade. We did look at that as well. In fact, our senior vice president of project management 856 01:51:56.070 --> 01:52:03.510 Matt Marshall: studied historic preservation architecture in college. So he was interested in really evaluating and wanting to keep it too. 857 01:52:04.050 --> 01:52:11.940 Matt Marshall: But after reviewing it, and reviewing the structural nature of it. The fact that there's a lot of existing cracks in it and 858 01:52:12.630 --> 01:52:19.800 Matt Marshall: You've got vegetation growing out of it. But ultimately, what happened is that it would crumble and we just have to reconstruct it again so 859 01:52:20.340 --> 01:52:28.320 Matt Marshall: Matching that up with our existing architecture would be pretty problematic. So that's the reason why we went with the approach of trying to preserve the 860 01:52:29.010 --> 01:52:45.300 Matt Marshall: certain characteristics and maintain the doro story as much as we possibly can educate the public in the future and our future residents of what used to be here and why it existed. So, and in a sense, that's what I wanted to say in terms of 861 01:52:46.410 --> 01:52:54.450 Matt Marshall: Preserving the store nature. Again, I appreciate the public's comments and I truly appreciate them because we've done historic rehabs before so 862 01:52:54.930 --> 01:53:04.920 Matt Marshall: But in this particular case, doing this, this number of units in this type of design, It didn't make sense for us to do an adaptive reuse. So thank you very much. 863 01:53:07.170 --> 01:53:07.470 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. 864 01:53:08.610 --> 01:53:09.630 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Marshall. 865 01:53:11.190 --> 01:53:16.140 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Any other comments from the applicant any buddy else from your team which to speak before we move to board discussion? 866 01:53:18.540 --> 01:53:30.600 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay, I'll take that as a no. All right. Well, with that being said, I'm going to go around the board in alphabetical order as we had done before with starting with Mr. Allen. 867 01:53:37.230 --> 01:53:37.920 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Well, the 868 01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:55.260 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Thank you, Chairman hard and I appreciate that. I appreciate all of the public comments as well. And the presentation of the applicants. I've got a couple comments and then questions as well. 869 01:53:57.150 --> 01:54:02.220 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): First and foremost, just more of a comment of preference and I think some of the 870 01:54:04.350 --> 01:54:14.280 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): commentary from the public get on it as well. I would ditch all of the palm trees. I think that there is an opportunity to pick up some shade. 871 01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:26.250 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): In that corridor where the public is going to be gathering by putting some sort of a shade tree in there and I would defer to Mr Loretta or other Members on 872 01:54:26.970 --> 01:54:45.420 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): On the board that are more knowledgeable about types of trees that would go there, but I would certainly ditch the the palms and go with some sort of a shade tree in that area. One thing that struck me a little bit with concern is, and I jotted down some of the quotes when 873 01:54:46.470 --> 01:54:49.170 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): The applicant was was discussing 874 01:54:50.520 --> 01:55:03.930 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Incorporating portions of the doro of the existing doro building into the new construction and he used evasive and non concrete terms, in my opinion, and I would ask 875 01:55:05.520 --> 01:55:17.730 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): My colleagues on the board to make sure that we nail those down and lose some of the concrete, are some of the vague terms, for instance, I wrote down, quote, if it is feasible. 876 01:55:18.930 --> 01:55:33.090 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Quote undetermined in quotes, still looking when talking about incorporating brick structures and different parts of the existing door building. So I would look for some as we're looking to 877 01:55:34.110 --> 01:55:38.130 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): To possibly approve this its final right now some more concrete. 878 01:55:39.720 --> 01:55:44.850 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Issues regarding that. I also share Miss Powells 879 01:55:46.920 --> 01:55:49.830 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Concern in that up some other 880 01:55:51.900 --> 01:55:54.450 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Commentary, the public as well about the timeline. 881 01:55:55.560 --> 01:56:02.940 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): What what I don't want to see happen as a number of this board and as a citizen of Jacksonville is 882 01:56:03.720 --> 01:56:20.220 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Exactly what some of the comments were from the public is this building is torn down and it's it's it's a parking lot for several months several years something like that before it's actually constructed so I guess as a question to the applicant 883 01:56:21.450 --> 01:56:38.010 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Where are we in the tearing the building down say versus starting construction soon after that? And are you willing to commit today to some sort of a concrete timeline on that? 884 01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:40.320 Paul Harden: May I respond to that? 885 01:56:41.700 --> 01:56:42.420 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Please. 886 01:56:44.430 --> 01:56:47.070 Paul Harden: This is Paul harden. 887 01:56:48.450 --> 01:57:07.710 Paul Harden: Someone someone mentioned that lesson early on before the meeting. And we've been working on language and I was gonna respond to that after Nancy spoke, but didn't, didn't get up in line, but I think there is a methodology to make that possible, such as 888 01:57:08.970 --> 01:57:10.020 Paul Harden: Having the 889 01:57:10.230 --> 01:57:19.560 Paul Harden: The building permit and hand prior to construction or something of that ill. My main concern though is that our 890 01:57:20.550 --> 01:57:35.100 Paul Harden: vesting situation will change or someone will attempt to change it while while we're waiting for that. So, so long as our current entitlements don't change. I think we can work on language that would allow the 891 01:57:36.120 --> 01:57:38.520 Paul Harden: Demolition permit to stand, 892 01:57:39.870 --> 01:57:41.310 Paul Harden: Be issued but stand 893 01:57:42.480 --> 01:57:52.920 Paul Harden: unused until the building permit is issued are some 10 setters approved or some timeline that would would meet everybody's expectations. 894 01:57:55.980 --> 01:57:57.960 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Mr. Harden what about what about 895 01:58:00.300 --> 01:58:14.610 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): something along the lines of, you know, go get your demolition permit at the same time while trying to get your building permit, but not actually put the bulldozer to the building until you have your building permanent hand as well. 896 01:58:16.260 --> 01:58:18.630 Paul Harden: That's what I tried to say I'm sorry. 897 01:58:21.660 --> 01:58:41.760 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Yea so Mr. Allen Mr. Harden we had had this conversation, you know, and some of my emails and responses from the public and I had this conversation with staff about how we might be able to address this and I appreciate you guys bringing it up in advance so that maybe we can 898 01:58:41.760 --> 01:58:43.740 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): curtail some other further discussion, because I 899 01:58:43.740 --> 01:58:53.220 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Think it is a good point because our objective would be to not create a vacant block, you know, we would prefer not to have the building demolished and then for some unforeseen 900 01:58:54.090 --> 01:58:54.690 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Reason 901 01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:56.400 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): The project is not constructed 902 01:58:57.300 --> 01:58:59.370 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): But I don't think that would apply to the interior 903 01:59:00.360 --> 01:59:06.000 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): It was really the the elevation. The front of it. I've personally been in this building, and I know the condition that it's in 904 01:59:07.140 --> 01:59:16.830 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): You know, I've looked at it for a separate purpose, two or three years ago, so that the language that you know we had constructed that I've got here that I wrote down was 905 01:59:17.640 --> 01:59:19.950 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): and we can incorporate this in a potential motion. 906 01:59:20.760 --> 01:59:21.420 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): To say 907 01:59:21.780 --> 01:59:30.210 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So as not to create a vacant block the developer shall not exercise a demolition permit until such time they have obtained a building permit for vertical construction. 908 01:59:30.600 --> 01:59:40.710 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): This conditions shall not apply to interior demolition providing that the buildings exteriors are preserved. would that would that meet, I would look to the applicant that that's 909 01:59:41.280 --> 01:59:44.160 Paul Harden: Something. Yes, subject to 910 01:59:44.460 --> 01:59:47.130 Paul Harden: Our current situation not changing. 911 01:59:48.570 --> 01:59:49.800 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): What does that mean, exactly. 912 01:59:50.670 --> 02:00:05.760 Paul Harden: Well there have been a couple of situations where people move forward building permits and then buildings haven't been designated and someone seeks to designate them and that gets out in front of the curtain entitlement someone has 913 02:00:06.000 --> 02:00:08.040 Paul Harden: so we would lose some of those entitlements. 914 02:00:08.040 --> 02:00:12.540 Paul Harden: But unless it's so long so slow to change to our 915 02:00:12.780 --> 02:00:16.800 Paul Harden: Current entitlement. I'm just trying to use less challenging words 916 02:00:17.820 --> 02:00:19.260 Paul Harden: then your language is okay. 917 02:00:23.010 --> 02:00:26.310 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Well, let's let's come back to that. I think we do need to we need, we need to 918 02:00:27.150 --> 02:00:36.180 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Determine that and then we can hold that thought and try to save that for our final discussion point if That's okay that way we can kind of move through this and maybe we can 919 02:00:37.590 --> 02:00:39.780 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Leave it to a few final discussion points. 920 02:00:39.840 --> 02:00:40.950 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): At the end, if that's okay? 921 02:00:42.600 --> 02:00:43.740 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): That that's fine with me. 922 02:00:45.240 --> 02:00:45.600 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay. 923 02:00:45.660 --> 02:00:48.120 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. Thank you, Mr. Allen, did you have any other further comment? 924 02:00:49.050 --> 02:00:51.240 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): That's it. Thank you. 925 02:00:52.260 --> 02:00:53.640 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. Turn it over to Mrs Durden 926 02:00:56.220 --> 02:01:00.840 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is Brenda Durden for the for the virtual record. 927 02:01:03.330 --> 02:01:05.550 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): So I wanted to say thank you to the staff and to 930 02:01:10.470 --> 02:01:16.200 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): All the people who have taken the time to weigh in on this topic. 931 02:01:17.400 --> 02:01:19.980 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I have several questions. 932 02:01:21.150 --> 02:01:24.930 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): And then some comments. 933 02:01:26.100 --> 02:01:30.600 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): First, I know that Christian is somewhere in the virtual meeting. 934 02:01:32.550 --> 02:01:41.070 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Could he please tell us whether or not an application for local designation for this building has ever been submitted. 935 02:01:42.570 --> 02:01:43.860 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And I will just jump in Mrs. Durden is referring to 937 02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:49.470 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Christian Popoli, who is with the historic preservation department. 938 02:01:50.490 --> 02:01:51.480 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I'll hand it over to him. 939 02:01:52.620 --> 02:01:53.160 COJ-Christian Popoli-PDD cpopoli@coj.net: Thank you. 940 02:01:54.510 --> 02:01:56.460 COJ-Christian Popoli-PDD cpopoli@coj.net: To my knowledge, no. The 941 02:01:57.150 --> 02:01:57.840 COJ-Christian Popoli-PDD cpopoli@coj.net: Never been 942 02:01:59.010 --> 02:02:01.800 COJ-Christian Popoli-PDD cpopoli@coj.net: No one's ever applied for a local amor designation for this property. 944 02:02:04.110 --> 02:02:04.560 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Okay. 945 02:02:06.720 --> 02:02:07.590 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Am I back on. 946 02:02:08.010 --> 02:02:08.700 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Please, yeah. 947 02:02:09.540 --> 02:02:21.240 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Okay, so, so that tells me that we actually have never we the city have never actually reviewed it for local landmark designation. 948 02:02:23.820 --> 02:02:45.150 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): My second question is about the lighting and signage plans, I noticed in our code that for final approval. There has to be part of that application has to include a lighting plan, as well as a signage plan. 949 02:02:46.290 --> 02:02:59.520 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I didn't see those in the package and of concern, Really, I did see one screen in the presentation, It's screen number 33 950 02:03:00.690 --> 02:03:06.030 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): With some fairly surprising neon lighting. 951 02:03:07.620 --> 02:03:21.720 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Green that one. So my question to staff is number one: Where is the lighting plan? And number two: where is the signage plan? 952 02:03:23.610 --> 02:03:31.050 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I, I might have missed them. Maybe they're in a corner of I did see that there was some street 953 02:03:32.370 --> 02:03:34.710 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): There was one example of a street 954 02:03:36.060 --> 02:04:02.130 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Lighting for a pole, but I really think that that was part and parcel of the streetscape plan not specifically a lighting plan and you know this screen brings that concern that I have is that that was not a part of the application and is required by our code. 955 02:04:03.150 --> 02:04:10.620 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Could the could um I'll stop and ask for comment from staff. If somebody 956 02:04:11.640 --> 02:04:13.620 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Could explain that, please. 957 02:04:16.740 --> 02:04:20.130 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right, Mrs Radcliffe Meyers or Mr. Parol 958 02:04:23.940 --> 02:04:34.260 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Yes, thank you board member Druden and through the chair. So in regards to the the sign plan they are showing signage along 95902:04:34.800 --> 02:04:44.730 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): The street frontage is, I believe, I believe, both on A Phillip Randolph and on Adams, but that sign plan will have to come back through 960 02:04:45.090 --> 02:04:54.510 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Our office for clearance in regards to ensuring that they are meeting the downtown overlay sign code. So they are showing 961 02:04:54.990 --> 02:05:06.780 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): I believe I don't remember on one of the one of the elevations. They showed like where they would have a sign. So they are showing where signs would be located But we're not going to have them. 962 02:05:07.500 --> 02:05:21.660 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Put any signage and now because that's still would have to come back through our office for clearance. So, you know, to ensure that they need that downtown overlay overlay zone requirement in regards to signage. 963 02:05:22.020 --> 02:05:28.620 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): So we ensure that that would take place, they'd have to pull a sign permit and get our sign off on it. So if they 964 02:05:28.950 --> 02:05:37.500 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): You know request, anything that's deviating from that we would then have to bring signage back to DDRB like if they decide to put up 965 02:05:38.040 --> 02:05:54.990 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): Like a monument sign or something obviously that would come forward to DDRB for a special sign exception. So as it stands right now and again I apologize. I don't remember what elevations they want but they were showing where signs would be located it's just they're not giving any 966 02:05:56.730 --> 02:06:02.820 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): You know sign like dimensions or anything like that because that still has to come through us, no matter what. 967 02:06:03.120 --> 02:06:13.260 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): In regards to the lighting the lighting is just the, you know, for the streetscape plan and we would have to look with the with the green neon. 968 02:06:13.650 --> 02:06:28.950 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): That would have to be something that, again, would have to move forward and come come through with us. I believe that probably come through as the sign package as well In regards to lighting and if it didn't meet the requirement, then it would have to come back through DDRB before approval. 969 02:06:30.930 --> 02:06:36.240 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Okay, thank you. My comment is that that's not in accordance with 970 02:06:37.440 --> 02:06:42.330 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): The requirements set out in the code at 656 361 971 02:06:43.770 --> 02:07:02.400 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): It requires. It has a long list of things that are required for final that have to be submitted for final approval and those things that I just mentioned the signage, as well as the lighting plan are part of that. So I would say that it's 972 02:07:03.810 --> 02:07:06.480 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): inappropriate for us to be taking action on this. 974 02:07:09.510 --> 02:07:21.210 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Let me go on and say some other things. the landscaping plan, there is a landscaping plan. The, I, I would echo 975 02:07:22.740 --> 02:07:36.600 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Some of the comments from the public as well as from Mr. Allen. I think the landscaping plan is inadequate and I would like to see a new Landscaping plan come back with a lot more shade trees and have the 978 02:07:44.400 --> 02:07:46.440 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Incorporated into the plant. 979 02:07:47.910 --> 02:07:50.460 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): The last thing that I want to talk about is that 981 02:07:53.730 --> 02:08:03.000 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I am very cognizant of, of the concerns about this boards and scope of authority. 982 02:08:04.560 --> 02:08:16.710 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): And what we have the right to consider and what we don't have the right to consider. And so as a result of that being a lawyer, I decided to take a look at our code. 983 02:08:17.310 --> 02:08:26.160 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): And what we're governed by and what establishes our, our scope of authority and what we have the right to comment on 984 02:08:26.970 --> 02:08:44.160 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): And I believe that there are there are is more than adequate basis for us to tap to vote to not approve this project based upon the building the proposal itself. 985 02:08:44.700 --> 02:08:58.350 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): As well as the concerns about the historic facade of the doro building. So I'm going to start. And I'm going to go through these because I want them to be part of the record. 986 02:09:00.420 --> 02:09:12.660 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): The purpose intent and intent section of 361.1 hold on so 656.361 987 02:09:13.830 --> 02:09:16.680 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): The, the provision start at, hold on, 361.1, 990 02:09:27.540 --> 02:09:35.250 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): And that very first paragraph is about the purpose and intent of what these downtown 991 02:09:36.540 --> 02:09:52.470 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): provisions are supposed to be and what the goal is. So to begin with. One of the first things. It says is that it's to ensure a high degree of compatibility between new and existing uses 992 02:09:53.040 --> 02:10:05.580 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I would say in my opinion that this proposal is not compatible with the existing uses and structures in this area. 993 02:10:06.630 --> 02:10:24.510 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Another purpose is to ensure the quality develop quality development that is in keeping with the traditional downtown urban fabric. Again, this proposal does not do that. These are unique characteristics. 994 02:10:27.000 --> 02:10:31.890 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): These are there are unique characteristics that are referenced in our 995 02:10:33.030 --> 02:10:38.580 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): In this section of the code and that the purpose of what we do is to protect 996 02:10:40.200 --> 02:10:57.240 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Those unique characteristics and I believe that this facade, at a minimum, and I'm not, I'm not familiar with the inside of the building, but I am familiar with the exterior facade and the 997 02:10:58.380 --> 02:11:01.110 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): To me that is a unique part of our district. In the general standard 656.361.4 1001 02:11:12.330 --> 02:11:17.820 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): A there are standards it say that proposals will not 1002 02:11:19.050 --> 02:11:32.220 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): That what we're supposed to look at and consider is whether a project will negatively impact or injure adjacent properties or detract from the immediate environment. 1003 02:11:32.970 --> 02:11:45.360 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Another thing that it says there. And these are the general standards is that to assure compatibility and consistency among the proposed an existing development. 1004 02:11:46.650 --> 02:11:57.930 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I'm going to try to go faster. Mr. Chairman, because I want all of this to be in the record in 650 631.6.2, 1005 02:11:58.560 --> 02:12:13.590 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): It states new development and redevelopment should contribute to a visually and functionally integrated pattern of development that reads as a consistent and attractive whole as 1006 02:12:15.150 --> 02:12:23.880 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Excuse me, consistent and attractive whole. the proposed building does not do that for this area. 1007 02:12:25.080 --> 02:12:45.570 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): The general building forms and functions and how they're organized on the site and in relation to the surrounding development have as much to do with the areas, areas character and the function as a building's aesthetic characteristics. 1008 02:12:47.490 --> 02:12:49.470 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): This proposed development, the looks of it, The architectural style of this does not fit into this on this street. 1010 02:13:02.580 --> 02:13:14.160 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Section 656.361 again in Section six states new buildings should reenforce the historic pattern 1011 02:13:16.260 --> 02:13:24.390 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Building should frame and define a street and express of fine grain character 1012 02:13:26.940 --> 02:13:38.940 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): So that future buildings can be designed so that their mass and scale. Do not overwhelm the public realm. This is important because when that when they 1013 02:13:40.470 --> 02:13:41.010 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): When they 1014 02:13:42.060 --> 02:13:57.450 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Do contribute to the quality when they, when they actually have this fine grained character and take into account, what's around them, they end up adding to the quality of the public realm. 1015 02:14:00.690 --> 02:14:03.570 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): In a section in that same section. 656.361 , 6 1016 02:14:07.980 --> 02:14:12.030 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Paragraph C , it's called Building mass and form. 1017 02:14:13.320 --> 02:14:23.400 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): There's a provision in there that says we don't want repetitive elements in the design and the appearnace. those should be avoided. 1018 02:14:25.560 --> 02:14:34.260 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): That architecture is it also provides it in a deviation and I know we're not talking about a deviation, but it's talks about 1019 02:14:37.080 --> 02:14:48.420 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Where architecture is not unique or innovative and will not positively impact and areas image or the adjacent buildings. 1020 02:14:50.430 --> 02:15:05.280 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): And these are things that I think that are wholly within our scope and that we need to take into account in this project. Yes. The, the building does not have landmark status. 1021 02:15:06.660 --> 02:15:09.240 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): At this time, and maybe never will. 1023 02:15:12.900 --> 02:15:20.100 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): But We also know that has never actually even been through the process. So we don't really know whether it qualifies. 1024 02:15:24.450 --> 02:15:26.400 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): A couple of comments now. 1025 02:15:27.870 --> 02:15:42.360 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): The effort, time, interest and commitment of other owners in this area: intuition, manifest, the city of Jacksonville itself. The historic 1026 02:15:43.800 --> 02:15:57.810 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Historical Society, These buildings. This building, this facade, if you will, is a very much a part of the fabric of that street and that whole area. 1027 02:15:58.410 --> 02:16:09.900 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): It is important. It is one of the things that makes us comfortable when we'd go there and we like to see it. I want nothing more than to see 1028 02:16:10.380 --> 02:16:39.390 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Something happen on that block, but not what is currently before us, for all the reasons that I have mentioned, I do believe that with the right commitment and maybe some incentives from the city, I believe that that facade could easily be incorporated into a residential mixed use development. 1029 02:16:40.560 --> 02:16:51.180 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Even looking out what they have proposed, they have proposed of a long expanse of open spaces and commercial 1030 02:16:51.720 --> 02:17:05.220 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): There is no reason that they could not utilize that facade along that AP Randolph street frontage to and behind it, have all of those uses 1031 02:17:05.670 --> 02:17:23.040 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I'm not saying you know that they would have to keep every single bit of it, you know, but certainly I would say 70% and they could still have their garage doors open and they couldn't or 1032 02:17:24.360 --> 02:17:38.640 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Whatever kinds to open it up to the to open it up to allow for that kind of retail of street activation. The the the last thing that I want to say is that if others disagree with me, 1037 02:17:57.000 --> 02:18:07.410 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): And the board does not choose to deny the project, I want to go back to this condition that was discussed earlier. 1039 02:18:13.620 --> 02:18:19.740 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I think that it needs to be broader than just the BUILDING PERMIT. I think that It needs to include any kind of requests for 1041 02:18:27.690 --> 02:18:39.150 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): For incentives from the city and that any kind of appeal periods of also passed before that demolition permit could be acted upon. 1042 02:18:39.900 --> 02:18:53.430 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I would say that it should, at a minimum, be something like that there would be no demolition of the building until all those permits for construction have been issued. 1043 02:18:54.480 --> 02:19:03.390 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): All requests for any types of incentives have received final action and that no appeals have been timely filed. 1045 02:19:07.560 --> 02:19:11.940 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): And that there are no other requests on the part of the applicant to that would be necessary to undertake the development 1047 02:19:21.330 --> 02:19:32.310 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I I have mentioned a lot of reasons that I believe that this board has the authority to choose to vote no on this project. And I, I would ask the I would ask the Board to seriously consider because I do think we might be the 1051 02:19:47.580 --> 02:19:48.780 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): We're kind of the last Point of of consideration. The only thing that happens after this, there could be an appeal. I know to DIA, but there is but they look to us to review it for these 1054 02:20:11.940 --> 02:20:22.050 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Development for for the ideas for for consideration. So I do think, and I hope that you'll agree with me that This project is not ready for approval. Thank you. 1056 02:20:39.780 --> 02:20:42.240 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers (DIA Staff): You're on mute again chairman harden. 1057 02:20:42.930 --> 02:20:46.410 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): That's good because that was a superfluous way of starting that explanation, but 1058 02:20:47.370 --> 02:20:54.960 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): For myself, but I've got, I've got several notes over here. So before we get there's there's a bigger discussion item which we could you know kind of work around the room. 1059 02:20:55.380 --> 02:21:04.740 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And then I also want to maybe before we get to Mr. Davisson just because we are here and just over two hours of a five minute recess. 1060 02:21:06.060 --> 02:21:11.130 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): To kind of collect ourselves here maybe make a break or grab some water so forth so 1061 02:21:12.510 --> 02:21:25.230 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mrs. Durden your first comment about the landscape about the the application been incomplete. I think I'd probably go to staff and and then if if need be to OGC to address that comment first 1062 02:21:27.930 --> 02:21:30.660 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): That's fine, however you want to deal with it Mr. Chairman. 1063 02:21:31.170 --> 02:21:34.950 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): That's that's a more direct point. I think the other the other 1064 02:21:34.980 --> 02:21:44.490 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Point is a little mean that's a very objective competitive, I think. So the other stuff is probably more for interpretation that we can discuss, but I thought that was something that staff can probably address 1065 02:21:45.030 --> 02:21:49.710 guy parola (DIA Staff): Yeah, I'll take I'll take a stab at addressing. And if you go to page 20 of this middle packet 1066 02:21:50.850 --> 02:21:59.220 guy parola (DIA Staff): Yeah page 20 the identify their signage to scale actually be the minimum scale that is required in the ordinance code so 1067 02:22:00.120 --> 02:22:08.250 guy parola (DIA Staff): They're identifying their signage, they're identifying the type they're identifying it by scale as well as far as landscaping goes 1068 02:22:09.060 --> 02:22:17.460 guy parola (DIA Staff): We love our shade trees and we put them on Lafayette and we had them, put them on Adams street we had them, put them on A Phillip Randolph and our 1069 02:22:17.820 --> 02:22:30.690 guy parola (DIA Staff): Kind of authority to be able to have them do that is because those are right of ways Forysth Street is a closed right of way, for all intents and purposes 50% of it belongs to the north and 50% of it belongs to the south. 1070 02:22:32.100 --> 02:22:51.810 guy parola (DIA Staff): We're not thrilled about palm trees in there either. But I can't think of where we can take and essentually in internal area and mandate that they put shade trees in there. Our shade trees and our shape percentages speak store right of way 40% on our streets 70% on the Riverwalk 1071 02:22:53.340 --> 02:23:01.110 guy parola (DIA Staff): So I would, I would say that I think you have a very complete packet and that's the objective side of the equation. 1072 02:23:01.830 --> 02:23:09.960 guy parola (DIA Staff): You are to the board. And as you pointed out, Mr. Chairman. There are some design aspects that that you all have the right to talk through 1073 02:23:10.770 --> 02:23:17.220 guy parola (DIA Staff): I would also say, though, a very important lens as you're talking through it is the fact that no deviations. 1074 02:23:17.910 --> 02:23:31.110 guy parola (DIA Staff): Are being solved. So carry that is just a cautious lens with you if I've said anything that OGC or doesn't agree with and wants to clarify, but by all means they can they can do so. 1076 02:23:37.260 --> 02:23:45.210 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Mr. Chairman Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Please. 1077 02:23:46.320 --> 02:23:49.770 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): thank you very much for the record Brenna Durden, so I'm looking at page 20 of the of the packet 1078 02:23:53.040 --> 02:23:53.850 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I see. I see that there are two Two references to signage. Is that correct, is that correct, Mr. Parola. 1081 02:24:06.480 --> 02:24:13.800 guy parola (DIA Staff): Yet that's as as we read this. Those are the only two signs a voucher or one on item street that's going to be on the bottom with the 12 1082 02:24:14.580 --> 02:24:33.180 guy parola (DIA Staff): Inch by 18 inch tall signage there A Phillip Randolph signage is the Doro signage that's running parallel to the to the, I guess the height of the building backlit at three foot 10 inches wide and then it's all submitted on a scale of 130 seconds equals one inch. 1083 02:24:34.770 --> 02:24:39.360 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): So that is so they're only asking for those two signs is that correct? 1084 02:24:39.630 --> 02:24:47.910 guy parola (DIA Staff): Those are the yeah if they come in with any other signage and there's going to be a conversation, except for whatever they're entitled to for retail direction on the bottom floor. 1085 02:24:49.080 --> 02:24:56.070 guy parola (DIA Staff): Which they also identify it one foot six inches tall, which is also allowed in our, in our ordinance cold for multi tenant buildings. 1086 02:24:57.510 --> 02:25:02.670 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): So what so let me be clear about this. Or let me ask you to be clear. 1087 02:25:03.900 --> 02:25:06.120 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): If they come in with more signage. 1088 02:25:07.200 --> 02:25:11.130 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): How is that not going to be part of this final package? 1089 02:25:13.560 --> 02:25:17.610 guy parola (DIA Staff): You're asking me to tech perspective stance on something they haven't submitted more signage. 1090 02:25:17.940 --> 02:25:35.760 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): No, no. The point I'm making is that any signage should be part of this package, according to the code. And so from even if, is it, then that's it. But if there is other signage than it seems to me that it should have been part of this package. 1091 02:25:36.300 --> 02:25:37.650 guy parola (DIA Staff): The only other signage they submitted a while ago. 1092 02:25:38.700 --> 02:25:42.900 guy parola (DIA Staff): A while ago. We actually had to remove it, they will prop, there were 1093 02:25:43.980 --> 02:26:02.370 guy parola (DIA Staff): submitted a while ago. It's on this packet because we haven't do away with it was one monument sign on A Philip and Adams and we actually had them remove that and in order to meet the the urban and open space, add the, the location for public art. so unless I'm missing something. 1094 02:26:02.520 --> 02:26:04.380 guy parola (DIA Staff): These are the two signs that are allowed 1095 02:26:04.980 --> 02:26:12.630 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mrs Durden just for one second. I'm just going to, I mean, I'm going to make one comment, then I see Mr. Loretta holding his hand up. 1096 02:26:12.900 --> 02:26:21.030 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I from my perspective on signage. There's been a lot of occasions, I don't think there's been a major project I would count this as a major project that we've seen at our board. 1097 02:26:21.510 --> 02:26:30.240 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): That hasn't come back and ask for more detail on signage as they've determined to tenant, you know, for example, a retailer that might require a signage. 1098 02:26:30.570 --> 02:26:42.180 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): That you know logo brand. That doesn't mean doesn't meet the code. So I think I hear your point that you'd like to see every sign that they would require by the project. And if I'm hearing, Mr Parola right 1099 02:26:43.050 --> 02:26:54.300 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): They are entitled to additional signage by code. And the only reason they wouldn't be able to do it as if they sought an exception for that particular sign at which case it would come in front of this board again is that Mr. Parola? 1100 02:26:54.810 --> 02:27:00.000 guy parola (DIA Staff): Yeah, I mean, that's, that's exactly right. And I'm looking at signage on both page 20 and 21 so Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): so 1102 02:27:02.580 --> 02:27:02.970 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Go ahead. 1103 02:27:03.570 --> 02:27:04.140 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I'm sorry. 1104 02:27:05.610 --> 02:27:11.850 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I was gonna say I could I could feel Mr Loretta our landscape Our, our landscape architect having a comment on this. 1105 02:27:12.570 --> 02:27:13.500 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): He said a few of these plays 1106 02:27:14.130 --> 02:27:15.660 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I'm not. Could I finish? 1107 02:27:17.130 --> 02:27:25.170 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Okay, thanks. Um, I want to move to the, um, you know, I didn't hear any comment about the lighting plan. 1108 02:27:28.230 --> 02:27:36.600 guy parola (DIA Staff): The lighting plan as Lori Ratcliff Meyer said earlier it's always been in our minds and as the code is related to the essentially the site plan. 1109 02:27:38.700 --> 02:27:53.670 guy parola (DIA Staff): There are buildings that if they came in and decided to accent their buildings with accent lighting. You know, I'm not 100% sure I know that that's what the code wanted us to look at, to be honest with you. 1110 02:27:56.670 --> 02:28:01.410 guy parola (DIA Staff): Yeah, I mean, we look at the lighting plan as it relates to our site plan. 1111 02:28:02.760 --> 02:28:07.500 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): So, so what I would say to the board is that 1112 02:28:09.150 --> 02:28:19.020 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I don't think that we have all the information about the lighting. Um, I think that Mr Parola's interpretation of the 1113 02:28:20.670 --> 02:28:31.410 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Light that we don't need to see the lighting plan or the signage plan unless there's something that somehow is different than what the code calls for 1114 02:28:32.040 --> 02:28:49.380 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I don't believe that that's what the applicant what the code says, so I'll leave it there. And you know, it's a very clearly to me. I'm something that, especially on a project like this that 1115 02:28:50.790 --> 02:28:55.740 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Is is important. So, and clearly kind of surprised me to see the green neon. And in the slide 33. So I do think there's an issue there and 1118 02:29:08.220 --> 02:29:12.120 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Personally, Mrs. Durden I think that was a teal color. It might have been come off on the 1119 02:29:12.450 --> 02:29:15.540 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Back and that's what they're going for, if I'm not mistaken, I 1120 02:29:16.050 --> 02:29:19.770 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Interpreted because the doro the letters I you know I had questioned the letters because 1121 02:29:19.770 --> 02:29:31.350 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): They, they had identified somebody brought up the idea for, I think, in the transcript of the last meeting that the letter should be red on the building and I believe that they stated that it was teal 1122 02:29:32.370 --> 02:29:36.510 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Reflection of our primary color of our football team. So I think that was the intent there. 1123 02:29:37.560 --> 02:29:40.050 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 1124 02:29:41.340 --> 02:29:41.730 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So, Mr. Loretta do you want to address that I know you've got a lot of experience that and you've been a good eye for us in the past on landscaping and lighting packages. Can you comment on that. If that was your comment, unless you have something else you want to share 1126 02:29:56.040 --> 02:30:06.420 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Well, I, at this point, I can wait my turn. I just wanted to note that Guy originally mentioned she 20 but there was also some signage on sheet 21 which then he later brought up. 1127 02:30:07.200 --> 02:30:13.350 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So there were four total signs. It's tough to really well for total signs up top. You could actually see there's even a 1128 02:30:13.860 --> 02:30:25.350 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): A two foot sign for the restaurant on the top of the overall building that's tough to see within the black and white elevation. But I think that is our shoot, I just lost it. That was on page 1131 02:30:38.490 --> 02:30:48.300 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Yeah, you can kind of see on page 21 right in the middle. It says backlit signage two feet or inches restaurant. I mean, you can just barely see it in the middle of the 1132 02:30:48.960 --> 02:30:55.350 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Blended building and then I just, you know, there were some questions regarding landscape, this, that, and the other at this point. 1133 02:30:56.370 --> 02:31:12.510 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): I'd asked that to staff all the trees within the right of way is are being planned for shade trees. And that's really what we're supposed to be, you know, we need to focus on the right of way in the pedestrian realm within the right of way. And so that's kind of what they're 1134 02:31:12.870 --> 02:31:16.020 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): They're being planned for. So as well as on page eight, 1135 02:31:16.860 --> 02:31:22.170 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): They do show the lighting plan for again the pedestrian realm and the right of way. And so 1136 02:31:23.310 --> 02:31:29.910 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): I you know I don't know that we, I don't know that we've ever really, other than for signage and led signage. 1137 02:31:30.960 --> 02:31:35.880 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): ever really pushed people on what exterior lighting kind of looks like at this point. 1138 02:31:38.610 --> 02:31:44.850 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Yeah, so I mean I just wanted to make sure it was clear that, in your opinion that this this lighting plan is that 1139 02:31:46.890 --> 02:31:56.310 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I would hate for that to be the only thing that that you know to get in our way. But is the lighting plan and here sufficient compared to what we typically approve? 1140 02:31:58.260 --> 02:32:15.360 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Yes. I mean, from what I see, you know, they're showing five street lights six street lights on Adam, you know, they're showing the typical acorn bulb and and then they show, you know, multiple ones on A Phillip Randolph and as well as on Lafayette. 1141 02:32:16.560 --> 02:32:20.700 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So then you can see that on sheet eight of their PDF packet 1142 02:32:21.840 --> 02:32:28.140 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So I believe that, you know, I don't think we've really ever pushed anybody else for anything beyond that. 1143 02:32:29.400 --> 02:32:38.520 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): If, if the if the balance the board felt compelled, I think that could be one thing we can hold as a placeholder. That would be subject to detailed 1144 02:32:39.150 --> 02:32:44.880 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Lighting approval by staff to make sure that it's consistent with the code and that it's consistent with the area. 1145 02:32:45.240 --> 02:32:56.640 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So we can we can hold that as a placeholder and come back to that. I, I feel certain that will probably make another round Mrs. Durden and so if you want to continue to pile on that as we kind of go through the rest of the board and come back to you if that's all right. 1146 02:32:58.080 --> 02:32:58.470 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay. That being said, let's let's take a five minute recess and come back at 423 We'll come back at 423 we'll come back and start with Mr Davisson 1149 02:38:48.150 --> 02:38:50.250 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Alright, let's go ahead and get started again. 1150 02:38:53.190 --> 02:38:55.230 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Can everybody hear me. Can I get a thumbs up. 1151 02:38:56.940 --> 02:38:57.690 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Great, thank you. 1152 02:38:59.760 --> 02:39:06.030 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Alright, so, um, let's move on to Mr. Davisson and Mr. Davisson and if you could unmute Mr. Davisson and there he is. 1154 02:39:15.180 --> 02:39:27.390 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): Yeah, I share and appreciate the sentiment and the history of the site and putting that aside, you know, my task as a board member is to evaluate the project and 1155 02:39:29.490 --> 02:39:40.740 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): In my opinion, this project is a mixed use project that's been well executed and I YOU LOOK BACK IN THE BOARD FOR THE LAST 10 years and what we've seen 1156 02:39:41.610 --> 02:40:01.350 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): Come up to the board. It's truly probably one of the first authentic mixed use projects that we've seen most that were most that are being built today or that are up and running our basically apartments on a garage slab with perhaps an apartment lobby. 1157 02:40:05.310 --> 02:40:10.620 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): When I when I see that you know when I look at this project. It has all the components. 1158 02:40:11.580 --> 02:40:19.590 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): That the design guidelines of a mixed use project or the city of Jacksonville design guidelines and outline, I believe, strive for. 1159 02:40:20.220 --> 02:40:33.750 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): And my definition of compatibility is a little different. Number one, living units basically on half the site that are on the street with their doors on the street with people on the street. 1160 02:40:34.440 --> 02:40:43.500 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): It's got retail. It's got active apartment outside use on grade, as well as well. So as a pocket Park. 1161 02:40:44.640 --> 02:41:02.220 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): And it's basically virtually 75%, you know, virtually the entire Park has been encompassed except on the north end up on the upper levels. So when I look at this project. When I look at compatibility 1162 02:41:03.420 --> 02:41:13.320 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): I don't. My definition compatibility is not the sameness, or of what's there. I can look at the stadium as well. There's a lot going on around that area. 1163 02:41:14.310 --> 02:41:27.570 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): A lot of its brick but compatibility can be done with a contemporary vocabulary. It doesn't have to have the sameness of what's there, because there is no historical context to the Veterans Memorial or the baseball park. 1165 02:41:33.750 --> 02:41:40.140 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): You know there's there's been you know and i and i and i you know just to touch on there has been 1166 02:41:41.160 --> 02:41:44.580 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): Quite a bit of active due diligence on the site. 1167 02:41:45.870 --> 02:41:48.960 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): The past and nobody stepped up to the plate at this point. 1168 02:41:49.980 --> 02:41:59.820 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): Yeah, and I do share the sentiment and it's sorry I'm sorry to see that. But when I think about what this project will do on all four sides. 1169 02:42:00.720 --> 02:42:11.940 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): Do for this part of town, which it will be the first basically in this area. I think it's what we're looking for. And I think as far as a project goes 1170 02:42:12.570 --> 02:42:27.630 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): As far as planning and how it's handled, especially on the street and how it engages the street. I think it's done well and I have yet to see a project done as well in many years as far sitting on the board. 1171 02:42:29.970 --> 02:42:31.080 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): I do concur, regarding the demolition somehow is tied to a building permit if they go that far they've if they've if they're pulling a permit and they're basically going through the entire process of building going through construction documents and paying and fees to do that. 1175 02:42:53.940 --> 02:43:05.130 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): In all, in all likelihood, they're going to go ahead with the project. So yeah, I concur with that. I don't want to see an empty site and have a building like the doro building go down. 1176 02:43:06.120 --> 02:43:16.410 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): We did ask them in the last meeting to basically to bring in part of the doro narrative and whether some people like it or not they've done that. They've addressed that at the corner. 1178 02:43:21.390 --> 02:43:30.840 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): It is, you know, I believe it creates a negative space on that corner. It's an active space. It's in the shade. It's next to an entrance 1179 02:43:31.440 --> 02:43:45.780 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): I think what we think the applicant has done what we have asked them to do as far as what what some of the concerns were in the last meeting. So I'll hold my comments at that point it at this point, I'll just hold my comments till now. 1180 02:43:47.070 --> 02:43:47.850 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): That's all I have. 1181 02:43:53.670 --> 02:43:56.100 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Davisson. And I'll move on to Mr. Lee. 1182 02:43:58.920 --> 02:44:14.520 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Thank you, Chairman harden and I appreciate all the public comments, we've had. It's really wonderful to hear everybody's opinion and the engagement and I especially appreciate the preservation planning department getting involved. Thank you Mr. Popoli. 1183 02:44:15.810 --> 02:44:25.230 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): I'd like to kind of respond in some ways to Mr. Jones comments about the scale while I do agree that 1184 02:44:27.480 --> 02:44:37.650 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Ensuring that we have a scale that meets the existing fabric to me when when the city decided to build the arena and the adjacent parking garage and the ballpark. 1185 02:44:38.160 --> 02:44:45.780 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): And turn this into really a sports complex area they fundamentally change the scale of the neighborhood and what's left in some ways is 1186 02:44:47.160 --> 02:44:57.630 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Kind of a mixed bag of somewhat dangerous industrial properties in the back of doro and of course you've got Maxwell right behind doro 1187 02:44:58.290 --> 02:45:08.640 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): And so there's some argument to be said that the project being proposed is keeping in scale with its neighbors right across the street is a five story parking garage. 1188 02:45:09.180 --> 02:45:30.300 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): And of course the arena holds many thousands of people and so that this is really event space neighborhood that is is either kind of incredibly packed or really pretty quiet so I don't necessarily object to to the scale of the building. the architecture of the project 1189 02:45:31.860 --> 02:45:41.340 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Really, in my opinion, kind of could be anywhere. It's not necessarily directly related to anything on A Phillip Randolph or any of the other precedents that are 1190 02:45:41.850 --> 02:45:53.310 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Being designed and built in that neighborhood, which is a little unfortunate, but at the same time, I agree with Mr Davisson that it is actually a nice project and you know well executed. 1191 02:45:54.240 --> 02:46:03.480 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): It does allow a substantially more public thoroughfare on both sides really more than Doro Doro you've got 1192 02:46:04.560 --> 02:46:13.590 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Maybe five or six feet between the facade of the building and the edge of the curb and it can create without closing that street a very dangerous condition for pedestrians during events. 1193 02:46:14.130 --> 02:46:28.320 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): This sort of alleviates that by giving something like 13 or 14 feet, plus a small public park. So I think a lot of concessions have been made to help accommodate the, the change in the use of this parcel. 1194 02:46:31.770 --> 02:46:41.610 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): And my last point really was was about protecting doro unless they're actually going to build something. I think it's critically important that 1195 02:46:42.180 --> 02:46:58.530 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): They not touch these buildings and tear them down unless they have the building permit in place the funds in place and are are moving forward with with the new project. The very last thing I think anybody wants on either side of the issue is another parking lot and to lose these old buildings. Thank you chairman Harden. 1197 02:47:08.400 --> 02:47:09.480 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. Thank you, Mr. Lee. 1198 02:47:10.740 --> 02:47:11.520 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mr. Loretta 1199 02:47:16.680 --> 02:47:17.130 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Thank you. 1200 02:47:20.220 --> 02:47:24.240 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So I think Mr. Davisson and did a very good job kind of 1201 02:47:25.350 --> 02:47:33.270 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Walking through a lot of positive design elements of the project. I do think from a pedestrian realm. 1202 02:47:34.530 --> 02:47:52.020 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): And and vehicles around, which is what I'm really focusing and tasking on, I believe that they've done a pretty good. Very good job with that meeting and exceeding kind of the, the criteria within the right of way, and so forth and frontage along the projects. 1203 02:47:53.880 --> 02:48:00.960 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): And, you know, As previously stated, you know, staff has has explained to them that we need to get shade trees out there. 1204 02:48:01.680 --> 02:48:14.340 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): It's always still a little bit concerned the smaller planting pits and the success of our shade trees, but that's hopefully something that will get evaluated as as overall DDRB moves forward. 1205 02:48:16.380 --> 02:48:28.290 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): When it you know the lighting. Again, I don't know that I had that big of an issue I you know I do feel that they made the the mild attempt to utilize some of the 1206 02:48:29.130 --> 02:48:36.720 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): To at least discuss utilizing some of the initial elements from the prior building. And that was something that I think Brent brought up an hour ago. 1207 02:48:37.530 --> 02:48:46.830 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Which is maybe it was discussed that you know if the brick existing brick is good enough, you know, then they can kind of use it on their feature wall. 1208 02:48:48.420 --> 02:48:51.300 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): But you know the feature wall is is what I mean, A third the size if not a fit the size of the existing brick out there along with kind of the columns and so it seems like it's reasonable to believe that they could, you know, try to figure out how to maintain enough of those existing bricks for that feature wall. And I think that, you know, maybe we can just kind of figure out how to put that as a condition 1211 02:49:20.520 --> 02:49:27.630 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): I, you know, the thing that's kind of intriguing about the the demo element that everybody's talking about, if I'm not mistaken you know, right now, they've already pulled a demo permit or at least a put in a request for a demo permit. 1213 02:49:39.090 --> 02:49:43.170 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): And it was basically approved if I, if I understand that. And so I mean, I believe, it'd be kind of intriguing to maybe put a time frame on that the request that we're all talking about here. 1215 02:49:53.790 --> 02:50:03.480 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Because as it stands right now if this project didn't exist and the property owner wanted to go demo it he could have done it by now. And so you know if this project doesn't move forward and no projects continue to move forward then five years from now, the property owner may feel like the only way he can get this property developed is by 1217 02:50:20.070 --> 02:50:30.750 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): By demoing it and make it in a clean site for future projects and so forth. So I just asked that, if we do, put some sort of demo condition. Maybe we limit to a two year period. 1218 02:50:31.620 --> 02:50:39.330 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Something of that nature from, you know, from approval here. And so I don't believe I have anything further at this time. 1219 02:50:42.990 --> 02:50:45.120 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. Thank you, Mr. Loretta, Mr Schiling. 1220 02:50:52.920 --> 02:51:03.810 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Apologize. Take a minute there with the mute button. So, so I jotted down some notes that I want to make sure that I that I hit my thoughts but 1221 02:51:05.250 --> 02:51:08.580 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): You know, I, my initial reaction ...and I also hit my video button there. Sorry about that. But my initial reaction is that you know, this is a project that is needed in this area and. And as mentioned by several of my fellow board members, you know, certainly introducing new residential into the sports and entertainment district, I think. 1224 02:51:35.190 --> 02:51:45.030 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Is going to be very, very beneficial to the redevelopment of the area and and as has said i think that i i view compatibility as to essentially the redevelopment and the things that we are seeing coming into this area that include the arena. 1226 02:51:52.350 --> 02:52:07.950 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): You know, the, the structures associated with the read arena, the ballpark all field, etc. And I do think that that the package that has been put together and shown to us is compatible with the redevelopment in the area. 1227 02:52:09.990 --> 02:52:21.210 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): One thought that I did want to share, you know, I know you know a great deal of the public input and the comment We have had has been regarding the history of the building and I was just going to share for the applicant and and throw this out is as an idea, not necessarily a requirement, but I know on a 1229 02:52:31.260 --> 02:52:40.890 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Different project that I worked on in the past, completely unrelated to this one. Similarly, there is a building on the site that that had history. 1230 02:52:41.670 --> 02:52:50.340 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): But it was not historically designated or protected and in that case the client and the developer hired a architectural historian to to document the building that included quite a bit of photography of the existing building to document it for for future generations before was demolished. So I don't know if that's something that the applicant may have considered or maybe considering but I throw that out as as a suggestion to possibly consider 1233 02:53:17.880 --> 02:53:19.890 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): I did want to also share that that it looked to me and and I think Mr. Loretta, you mentioned this as well and and it looks to me. And I think the applicant has done a really good job on the streetscape and in since the last submittal that we saw for the the prior hearing. To me it looks like they've done a real good job of of shifting and adjusting those building walls to get 1239 02:53:52.950 --> 02:54:01.140 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): You know, to get the eight foot pedestrian zone and to get the forefoot planting zones to get some really good street frontage to get that building set back so, so I wanted to mention that as well. 1241 02:54:09.090 --> 02:54:30.240 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Also, and I'll echo what what Mr. Davisson said, I, I fully, fully recognize that this applicant, I believe, listened to what we said at the conceptual review and and has taken the time and effort to work to incorporate some of those Doro features in into that courtyard and that plaza area. 1242 02:54:31.440 --> 02:54:33.450 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): And and i i think it's I think that will be a nice little area. One thing that I did note and I guess this was just as much a question for the applicant and not necessarily to answer now, but I did notice in all the renderings it does appear that there are plans to keep the posts and and the chain rail along the A Phillip Randolph Street. 1246 02:54:59.970 --> 02:55:11.520 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): It appears that way. Keeping that they are which which which is interesting and keeps keeps some of the history of that streetscape which which I support, and I think looks good. 1247 02:55:12.750 --> 02:55:30.360 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): And then the, the final item is i i think that board member Allen had a really good suggestion. And I would fully support it conditioning the the demolition of the building on issuance of building permits and then the final, final thought I have and I guess I'll finish up with is I fully recognize and I think it needs to be recognized that this applicant. 1249 02:55:41.460 --> 02:55:52.560 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): I think has spent considerable time and done a very good job to work to do their best to comply with with our overlay requirements and right now clearly they are not asking for any deviations. And I think that that that is a positive and reflects the work that they've done to work within our code. And with that I'll turn it back over to you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. 1251 02:56:13.230 --> 02:56:16.350 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Schilling. I think this is probably a good time to one go back to Mrs. Durden's comments because I think that having heard a couple of the board members response to scale, which I tend to agree with considering the nature, maybe you know, because I didn't have I pulled we had the resource I pulled the bylaws to try to reference. Some of the point you're making to try to understand that better, but maybe you know, if you could with a little bit more clarity, give us the points that you were trying to make about the role of the board because, I mean, I think we're, you know, we were really diving in on on very focused issues. And that was a much broader interpretation I think of, of what we're here today. Today, and so I just wanted to make sure I understood what you're trying to say. 1258 02:57:06.150 --> 02:57:09.120 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's pretty straightforward. I recall at our last meeting that on this topic that there was some concern about whether or not we, we, as a board had any opportunity to to consider the historic nature of this building of the Doro building in light of the fact that those who are formally charged with historic preservation responsibilities, you know, have said that it's not protected and so, I I avoided that I avoided that topic altogether and looked more at what out what the code on 656 calls for us to consider when we are looking at a project, so it's it's 1264 02:58:10.230 --> 02:58:29.850 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): It's it's twofold. Yes, there is the concern about tearing down an existing building that has been there for very, very long time. And in my opinion, and that's all it is is my opinion, but in my opinion adds to the fabric of that district. And second part was to provide this board with some language that's in our code that supports the idea that this particular proposal is not doesn't rise to that level and to to make sure that my fellow board members were aware, at least, of what I feel like our code gives us the authorization gives us the scope of authority to consider it in a broader context, other than well do does the facade does the proposed facade, you know, undulate. Is there an open space here, have they met those minimum requirements, which I think we forget sometimes that yeah no deviation is being required which quite frankly I'm happy about. But the concept. Also, is it well that's is that all we get to ask for. And the answer to that is absolutely not. Those are the minimum requirements, not, otherwise, a deviation would be required. So, you know, the purpose of my description of those sections is to make the board aware that there there is a basis, a valid basis for us to say, this is not the right design. 1272 03:00:14.250 --> 03:00:29.430 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I and since and not to take up future time but I want to say that the project. The concept of the mixed use having residential in this area. I absolutely support that 100% I think that they did do you know, to have the mixed use concept and it to me the idea of the project is very well thought out and I said that last time. And I'll say that again. 1275 03:00:53.160 --> 03:01:08.610 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I think also that the street closure aspect on the far side side is is very, very good. But I can't support it because of the overall architecture and the elimination of that doro a fixture facade that I know full well could be incorporated into their development. And when I look at their the whole idea about having that commercial area along that stretch of AP Randolph, it begs for that doro to be incorporated into it that existing facade to be incorporated into it, and I, I, you know, I'm sure that they looked at the applicant has looked at it from a financial standpoint, I mean, that's basically what the applicant told us that they can't do a project with only 20 apartments. 1280 03:02:01.470 --> 03:02:15.390 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Well, I would ask them to look at doing a project with as many apartments as they're proposing, but one that maintains a tremendously more of that facade along along AP Randolph. So, you know, I kind of talk, I, I understand, economic development. I'VE BEEN WORKING IN DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT for about 40 something years. I agree with that. I, I appreciate that I again I'm going to tell you, I absolutely support the idea about the uses with the residential is excellent in this area. I know there were some questions about who would want to live there. That's completely wrong, in my opinion, again, I think people will want to live there. But I also think I just think that we have an opportunity to to let them know that 1284 03:03:05.190 --> 03:03:06.630 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): They need to put more effort into incorporating that facade and making it a real part of this development and in the end. Jacksonville and the residents here will all, in my opinion, have greatly benefit so you know, these I really wanted to make sure that the board understands that they do have the ability and the authority and there is a basis for us to say this isn't the right design. 1287 03:03:46.770 --> 03:03:55.890 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): And we want you to do a mixed use development there. There are so many things that we love about this, but there are some things that are just bad. I can't, I can't get to the point to vote for it because of the architecture and the lack of of incorporating that facade. So I'll stop there. And I appreciate the opportunity to speak again. Thank you. 1290 03:04:18.270 --> 03:04:26.220 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Thank you for clarifying that. Does the applicant want to respond to that. Mr. Marshall, do you want to address any of those thoughts or any other comments from the Board thus far? 1292 03:04:31.800 --> 03:04:50.820 Matt Marshall: Sure I can make a general comment about the questions concerning whether or not the Doro building would be torn down and just left in a vacant state that's not something that we do. It's not in our business model to do we only do something that far until after we received all of our debt and equity financing we close on the financing, then at that point once all permits are received, we get the demo permit, building comes down in the site permit we start working on site development and so forth. So the fact that there's any concern of whether or not we would buy the building tear it down, spend all those, you know, millions of dollars and not proceed forward. That's not something we've ever done or what we did here. That's all I can say to that particular comment. 1296 03:05:27.300 --> 03:05:27.630 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay. 1297 03:05:28.830 --> 03:05:36.300 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I mean, I guess in anything further i mean i i'm assuming that you guys have talked about it but just addressing the question about trying to address other elements maybe some insight into that thought process and how you guys came up with the architect on the design that you provided that that's updated from what you submitted I conceptual 1299 03:05:49.710 --> 03:06:00.330 Matt Marshall: I mean, we've certainly talked about it in. We've worked with architect a lot on on the design and trying to incorporate some of those elements. We did it the way we did it because that is from a financing standpoint, the best way to for us to proceed forward in my earlier comments. 1301 03:06:10.170 --> 03:06:15.240 Matt Marshall: When we originally looked at the building an adaptive reuse just was not possible, as A BOARD MEMBER earlier stated, it's just too small for us and for our purposes. So we couldn't do that. And the to preserve that facade as I had stated earlier, is going to be extremely challenging to do that in a way that makes sense, both economically, but also visually as well to match it in with new architecture. So if our architect Nick wants to speak up to that, that'd be great. But that's, that's kind of where we're coming from. 1304 03:06:49.740 --> 03:06:52.140 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Did Mr. Hill want to make any further comment on that. 1305 03:06:54.090 --> 03:07:02.460 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates): Yeah, I mean, when we were going through and looking at this, this project, we really wanted to try to bring the the brick, the materiality, some of the corsings, just some of that identity that's around the around the area down to the street level. And so, yeah, we, we really consciously work to do that very carefully and to give variation of the scan on the street edges as required and and that kind of thing. 1307 03:07:22.710 --> 03:07:34.260 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates): And one one comment I wanted to make there were comments about the landscape trees right now. What's being called out in our landscape will be an it's an elm. So it's not palm trees we spoke to you guys and they and the whole desire of not having palm trees on the streetscape was very heard. 1310 03:07:42.750 --> 03:07:51.240 Nick Hill (Niles Bolton Associates): So, so right now it's an elm is what's being called out in our documents at the moment and that is a shade tree so 1311 03:07:53.610 --> 03:08:00.060 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay. All right. Thank you, Mr. Hill. Do we have any other discussion points from the board. Any other comments? 1312 03:08:04.080 --> 03:08:15.300 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Well, I'll, I'll sort. I'll try to close, you know with with my feedback. I think everybody has stayed at me. We're going on over two hours of discussion. So we've had a lot of great points and I do also appreciate you know the feedback from the public. It's something that we take, you know, great interest in, and I think that it's something that we appreciate. We appreciate the engagement. I think that it shows how much people care about downtown and how engaged people are in downtown. 1314 03:08:30.930 --> 03:08:40.440 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I think we want to see more of that. I think it probably points to more demand for things downtown and you know I for one would would, you know, would be happy to and have in the past or other commitments volunteer, you know, activities through NAIOP tried to help you know market and find these opportunities. 1316 03:08:47.670 --> 03:08:55.080 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): For other buildings that, you know, that would be ripe. I, I just don't i don't think that we're here at the point with the DDRB. I appreciate Mr. Durden's comments about you know what, what could be possible. I just mean I've read the bylaws, you know, several times since I've been on this board we've we've brought other notions of what our responsibility, what our abilities are, in fact, I think it was about a year and a half ago that we sat I remember specifically when, when we look back at the bylaws to try to address any of the components of the code that might need to be updated to try to reflect the changing nature of our downtown development. 1321 03:09:23.730 --> 03:09:31.080 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And I think we did so. But I think we also had a conversation about you know really what our what our abilities are and i don't i don't take a activist position to try to open our interpretation of the code because I think that by doing so, we could really look at, you know, really any nature of the project, particularly a project that's not asking for any kind of 1323 03:09:44.670 --> 03:09:54.930 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Deviations or exceptions. And I also, you know, come from the perspective of development that you know we need this kind of project in downtown Jacksonville. I mean that the chamber has made it a priority to have residential downtown, because we know that's a tipping point for a lot of other development, if we can, we can get these units in and this is going to be a huge component of that. 1325 03:10:05.280 --> 03:10:10.350 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): We don't want to send the wrong message. You know I hate that, that, that this has come up in this building is you know, part of the fray. I think it's a little bit of collateral damage, you know, at this juncture, but I think we need this. I think that we will hope that this population increase will lead to helping bring the economics up for for these kind of adaptive reuse projects and other places, and I do agree with a lot of the public comments that that we should prioritize that that we should find other opportunities and incentivize that and market it. 1329 03:10:42.000 --> 03:10:52.980 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So I think that's going to be a task that going forward, that we need to learn a lesson from this and be proactive towards that that. And so I think that that's my feedback. I think that the condition on the demolition permit is appropriate here. 1330 03:10:53.760 --> 03:11:02.340 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I think that's, you know, if things do change and this project isn't built we need to make sure that it's it's at least somebody else could have the opportunity to do so if it's not this individual I don't have the right I had suggested some language about that earlier. And I don't know if there's any further ways to define that. 1332 03:11:13.290 --> 03:11:21.720 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): But I think that is that's one condition that we would leave. I think we've addressed the shade trees and I think we've addressed the lighting and so I would, I would say the only condition we have at this point is the that they would not be able to exercise a demolition permit until they obtained a building permit for vertical construction unless there's any further condition suggestions from the board or staff. 1335 03:11:42.480 --> 03:11:44.880 Paul Harden: Christian can I respond to that condition? 1336 03:11:45.510 --> 03:11:45.990 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Please. 1337 03:11:47.460 --> 03:11:54.660 Paul Harden: So again, I want to be clear, adding on to our inability to not demolish the project is taking. it changes the whole status of our entitlements. We're happy to agree to the language with the modification that two things. 1339 03:12:08.790 --> 03:12:21.360 Paul Harden: One, if someone files an attempt to make it a locally designated historic site that may defeat our ability to demolish we're not going to sit around and wait for our building permits to get done to exercise our entitlement rights. So however want to use that language is fine. And then I think member Loretta indicated that the owner of the property certainly has certain rights if this buyer were to go away that the condition should be limited in time he suggested two years I was going to suggest a year and a half, but two years is probably fine. So, so long as the condition is limited to a period of time where there's no attempt to take away our entitlements as to the demolition, and that limited in time So the owner isn't stuck with the condition forever even if this buyer goes away, then we'll agree to that language. 1344 03:13:04.950 --> 03:13:06.270 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay, so, Mr teal, probably need an assist with that, to try to understand that better and clarify and maybe you can help us kind of take that into account and how we shape this language for a condition. 1347 03:13:23.640 --> 03:13:26.280 Jason Teal OGC: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Jason Teal office of general council. 1348 03:13:27.840 --> 03:13:29.430 Jason Teal OGC: My understanding of what Mr. Paul harden is is referencing is they're okay with his condition, assuming that that there's no attempts to landscape, Landmark the the property. So, because if the property is is designated a historic landmark, then he's correct in that the provisions of 656.361.6.1 sub paragraph D will kick in and what that says is, it says application in historic buildings is the is the subtitle to that section. It says, with respect to any locally designated Historic Landmark Or any contributing structure in the downtown National Historic District or any federally designated landmark, the following regulations shall not apply to the extent they would require any modification of the historic facade that would otherwise be preserved or restored. if modification to a historic structure if modifications to a historic structure are proposed such that it would no longer be deemed a contributing structure or eligible for local designation that modification to the facade shall conformed to the requirements, below which those departments are the normal requirements for development downtown. So, you know, in essence, that's what he's concerned about, I guess, is that if there is an attempt made 1359 03:14:57.810 --> 03:15:11.160 Jason Teal OGC: To, to have the property declared a landmark that kicks in and triggers some restrictions that that wouldn't have been there, absent that and so as a from a developer's perspective, 1360 03:15:11.670 --> 03:15:19.920 Jason Teal OGC: He's not going to want to agree to a condition that limits his ability to pull permits or move forward with the property development of the property. That's going to hamstring and down the road. And I guess. Mr. Harden chime in if if that's if I misread that. So, you know, so I guess that I, in terms of how to craft a condition to get around that. 1364 03:15:35.220 --> 03:15:40.290 Jason Teal OGC: You know, I think that, you know, if you put a condition on it that the developer doesn't agree to then, you know, then that's you would subject the application to appeal by the developer, as well as potentially by members of the public. So you know I say that as a, you know, kind of a telling you guys not to do something. But basically, you just need to be aware of the ramifications of any proposed additions like that. 1368 03:16:06.150 --> 03:16:15.930 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So in other words, what you're saying, Mr Allen, I'll come back to you, but others where you're saying that if we put that condition upon the applicant that needs to be agreed upon. 1369 03:16:17.220 --> 03:16:17.730 Jason Teal OGC: I would say so, yes. 1370 03:16:17.760 --> 03:16:21.360 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): We can't, we can't stipulated unless we would be advised to agree upon it here at this at this time. 1372 03:16:25.680 --> 03:16:27.600 Jason Teal OGC: In additional condition like that, but 1373 03:16:29.160 --> 03:16:42.240 Jason Teal OGC: I would advise that the end of the applicants should should concur with that condition. It doesn't say that is legally required, but it certainly would be helpful in terms of short circuiting any level of appeal that may be file. 1374 03:16:43.260 --> 03:16:46.740 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay, that's much appreciated that thought process. Mr. Allen. 1375 03:16:47.430 --> 03:16:49.410 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): You had a comment. 1376 03:16:49.470 --> 03:16:55.050 Brent Allen (DDRB Yeah. Mr Teal thank you for that explanation. You know, I think one of the reasons that you know, we're able to strike this happy median is because of that condition. I mean, I, if, if, you know, if we if we've been told once, and I'm not saying that is this project. But if we've been told once about, hey, we're going to tear down this building and we're going to build this lovely high rise and it didn't happen. We'd all be rich and retired, whether it's because the deal fell through, or whether it's because of the deal over there by Baptists and you know it just takes years to get off the ground. I think no one nor the nor anyone on this board, nor the public wants to see a vacant lot there. And we need to do everything in this board power to make sure that doesn't happen. 1381 03:17:48.150 --> 03:17:51.030 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Yeah, I think, I think you're right. I think, I think that's a good comment. Well, so we need to define language. I suppose if Mr harden. If you want to suggest that i mean I wrote this out. And if I can read this again and then you can come back with the applicant on the the additional language. So the language that we had suggested was: So as not to create a vacant block the developer should exercise the demolition permit shall not exercise the demolition permit until such time as they have obtained a building permit for vertical construction this condition shall not apply to interior demolition providing that the buildings exteriors are preserved. and then I believe you had additional 1386 03:18:34.380 --> 03:18:38.190 Paul Harden: Right. And maybe the developers agreement shall be binding so long as there's no application file to designate the project as a historical project. 1388 03:18:52.140 --> 03:18:52.590 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay. 1389 03:18:53.850 --> 03:18:54.660 Paul Harden: I would 1390 03:18:54.960 --> 03:18:56.460 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Mr. Chairman, could I ask a question? 1391 03:18:57.240 --> 03:18:58.110 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Please, Mr. Lee. 1392 03:18:58.440 --> 03:19:06.600 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Is it the intent then of the developer that if an application is file to protect this building, you would immediately trigger the demolition permit and tear it down? 1393 03:19:07.740 --> 03:19:08.010 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): That's what I'm thinking. 1395 03:19:09.540 --> 03:19:11.160 Paul Harden: I'm sorry, I apologize for interrupting. 1396 03:19:11.910 --> 03:19:28.740 Paul Harden: No, but but the owner, might we have a closed on it yet. And if someone were to try to change some of his rights, I don't know what he would do and i but i don't want us to be in a position of having given up some of his rights i n order to get past this stage of the of the project, my client is is is deep deep dollars into the project. So I feel very comfortable they're going forward. If they don't, I don't want to take away any rights that the owner has already. 1398 03:19:48.180 --> 03:19:49.230 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Okay, it just seems like that would be the only reason for a clause like this. So I just want to point that out of the rest of the board that the intent, in my opinion, for additional languages to go ahead and run with demolition if they if an application is filed trying to protect it. Thank you, Chairman harden. 1401 03:20:06.420 --> 03:20:07.650 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Lee. Mrs. Durden. 1402 03:20:08.280 --> 03:20:17.640 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Thank you, sir. And I understand that the demolition permit as the actually not been issued. Could, could we get.. Mr. Loretto said that he thought that it had been I understood that it has not been issued by the city. Could someone speak to that, please. Thank you. Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mr. Parola. 1408 03:20:32.610 --> 03:20:37.260 guy parola (DIA Staff): I can speak to that there actually was a building demolition permit filed. you recall that this board requested that that happened at conceptual to test the, the issue with historic. that happened. historic put a note on it saying they're not going to review it. 1410 03:20:51.810 --> 03:20:59.340 guy parola (DIA Staff): There are two. Well, yes, two boxes that haven't been checked on it. DIA has not checked our box. 1411 03:21:00.060 --> 03:21:15.030 guy parola (DIA Staff): And I believe EQD. So environmental quality division hasn't checked their box, either. So the permit exists, it just has not been issued. And if I could just comment on the condition. the condition that's being proffered would apply to the final approval of DDRB. It wouldn't ride with a permit that the pressure that I think the board wanted to put on the Developer which which staff supports is that if you go ahead and try to demolish the site or if the site becomes demolished, your approval of the entire final DDRB package now now sunsets and goes the way of the dinosaur. 1414 03:21:50.790 --> 03:21:52.350 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Mr. Chairman, may I speak to that. Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Mrs. Durden. 1415 03:21:53.940 --> 03:21:58.860 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): I don't think that's the intent of what I heard from Mr. Allen or from others who have talked about this. I think that they don't want to see it's not about that whether or not there's going to be an approval for this particular project. It's whether that that they don't want to see the demolition of the structure itself the facade, in particular. 1417 03:22:24.180 --> 03:22:29.130 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): According to the motion that you, the language you read, Mr. Chairman. 1418 03:22:30.810 --> 03:22:41.100 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): To me, that's what I'm hearing. now i'll be silent, because, you know, but I don't think that Mr parola have characterized it. what I heard was the issue about no demolition until you've got all your permits in hand, and we know for certain that you're going to go forward. 1420 03:22:57.690 --> 03:23:13.200 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Yeah, I hear you but I mean to Mr Teal's his point I think that we're trying to do the best we can legally speaking with with the situation we've got. And I think that this is, this seems like a good solution that that would prevent the worst case scenario. 1421 03:23:14.640 --> 03:23:22.590 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And I mean it's a preventative measure, you know, but I mean it was listen this is this building's been on the market for you know, five or six years and in this applicants been working on this for several months. And so I just, you know, I 1423 03:23:31.410 --> 03:23:40.170 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I think this is a solution that does not send the wrong message. But it sets a I think the thought process and the engagement that we've had over this. I think sends a clear signal to, you know, what we need to do going forward on these types of properties to prevent this from happening. I just, I don't 1425 03:23:48.150 --> 03:23:53.520 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I don't feel right in clear conscience with this applicant of where they are, what they're delivering in their investment. 1426 03:23:54.030 --> 03:24:01.500 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I mean, in this project to me. My guess is that this is a you know $60-$70 million dollar project. This is a huge investment our city and so I don't want to look past that and I think the other board members have made great comments about that and I don't think that will see something like this happen again in the future so 1428 03:24:13.200 --> 03:24:21.900 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Do I mean I'm asking the board is that the condition as, as has been stated that the board is okay with considering a motion on? 1430 03:24:30.660 --> 03:24:35.100 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I'm hearing nothing I'm going, I'm going to unmute the board members so we can try since we're close to ten past five. 1431 03:24:35.340 --> 03:24:36.600 Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Chairman Harden I'd be in support of emotion as as you wrote the conditions. 1433 03:24:47.280 --> 03:24:48.930 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Mr. Chairman, this is Bill Schilling, a question for you. so I'm in support of the condition. But I guess the question is, is it as you've read it or, as is the question as to the additional language that the applicant proposed? 1437 03:25:07.410 --> 03:25:13.470 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So as as it was written with the addition of the addition with the addition of the language that the applicant proposed. 1438 03:25:14.790 --> 03:25:16.410 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): Can you say it one more time. 1439 03:25:18.570 --> 03:25:18.960 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Certainly. 1440 03:25:21.540 --> 03:25:30.360 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So as not to create a vacant block, the developers shall not exercise that demolition permit until such time as they have obtained a building permit for vertical construction. This condition shall not apply to interior demolition providing that the buildings exteriors are preserved the developers agreement shall be binding so long as a landmark designation has not been filed on the property. 1442 03:25:42.240 --> 03:25:42.630 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): Thank you. 1443 03:25:45.240 --> 03:25:47.490 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Mr. Chairman, can you read the last sentence one more time? 1444 03:25:48.060 --> 03:25:54.660 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Certainly. the developers agreement shall be binding so long as a landmark designation has not been filed on the property. 1445 03:25:55.860 --> 03:26:00.810 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Is that that is that accurate from the applicant. I was trying to pick up on that we said it a couple of different ways. 1446 03:26:01.200 --> 03:26:02.970 Paul Harden: I think that's sufficient. Yes. 1447 03:26:04.650 --> 03:26:06.990 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Mr. Chairman, I would support that. 1448 03:26:08.040 --> 03:26:12.240 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): And Mr. Teal, Would you agree that this is something that's this is the appropriate way to state that? 1450 03:26:18.450 --> 03:26:20.010 Jason Teal OGC: Mr. Chairman, Yeah I think that that covers it. 1451 03:26:22.260 --> 03:26:22.710 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay. 1452 03:26:25.050 --> 03:26:28.260 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Well, with that being said, does do we have a motion from the board. 1453 03:26:30.930 --> 03:26:41.460 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Mr. Chairman, this is this is Bill Schilling, again I will make that motion with the condition the motion for approval with the condition as, as you just previously read. 1454 03:26:45.600 --> 03:26:49.140 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Now this is a board member Loretta, I will second. 1455 03:26:50.580 --> 03:27:02.670 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay. We have a motion for DDRB 2020-005 by Mr Schilling the second for Mr. Loretta with the condition that that was red, and I will send that to Mrs Radcliffe Myers and Mr teal and Mr. Parola let's make sure we have that I see Mrs Durden has further discussion on that motion. 1457 03:27:13.320 --> 03:27:22.560 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Yes, because I understood that it's just a motion on that condition and then you would vote on the on the application as amended with that condition. 1459 03:27:30.900 --> 03:27:41.790 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So we don't have any deviations on this project. And so, if I'm not mistaken, Mr Teal we would not walk there would not be separate approval. That is one final approval with one condition. 1460 03:27:45.060 --> 03:27:46.500 Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Thank you for that clarification. 1461 03:27:50.070 --> 03:27:50.490 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. 1462 03:27:51.720 --> 03:27:54.390 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): That being said, Any further discussion on that motion. 1463 03:27:57.750 --> 03:28:02.670 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay, then I'm going to walk through each of the board members for their vote. Mr. Allen? Yay or nay? 1465 03:28:07.650 --> 03:28:10.110 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I think he's muted on him, Miss. Mr. Allen. 1466 03:28:11.520 --> 03:28:15.030 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Can you hear me. I was trying to chime in there and just got got in. Do we not need to get the developer to formally agreed to that. So it's not us strong arming something, it's, it's an actual mutual agreement. Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I think that's a good idea. Mr. Marshall or Mr. Harden to address that. 1471 03:28:40.350 --> 03:28:49.320 Paul Harden: We're agreeable to the condition with the limitation that our consent goes away if someone tries to designate the site, yes. 1474 03:28:55.680 --> 03:28:56.610 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay, Alright, so we have 1475 03:28:57.300 --> 03:28:59.220 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So we have a motion by Mr Schilling, we have a second by Mr. Loretta and go to you, Mr Allen for a Yay / nay. 1477 03:29:05.520 --> 03:29:08.520 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Approved. Yay. Yay. 1478 03:29:08.550 --> 03:29:10.470 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Alright yay Mr. Allen, Mrs Durden Brenna Durden (DDRB Board): Nay. 1479 03:29:11.220 --> 03:29:14.880 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Nay by Mrs. Durden. Mr. Davisson? 1480 03:29:15.690 --> 03:29:17.340 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): I approve. Yay. 1481 03:29:19.350 --> 03:29:21.780 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Yat approved by Mr. Davisson. and Mr. Lee? 1482 03:29:22.620 --> 03:29:23.160 Craig Davisson (BBRD Board). I Approve. Yay. 1483 03:29:24.420 --> 03:29:26.400 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Yay. approved by Mr. Davisson. Mr. Lee. Trevor Lee (DDRB Board): Approve. Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Approved by Mr. Lee. Mr. Loretta 1484 03:29:27.420 --> 03:29:28.530 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Yes, approved. 1485 03:29:29.340 --> 03:29:31.110 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Approved by Mr Loretta, Mr Schilling 1486 03:29:32.130 --> 03:29:33.150 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Approve. Yay. 1487 03:29:34.860 --> 03:29:41.970 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay and Christian harden and I will Yay, and favor. So the, the motion passes. 1488 03:29:42.960 --> 03:29:43.710 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): With one opposing vote and that is 2, 4, 6 approvals. 1491 03:29:49.770 --> 03:29:50.760 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Motion carries. 1492 03:29:54.090 --> 03:29:54.540 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. 1493 03:29:58.890 --> 03:30:05.010 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Thank you to the applicant. THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY THAT HAS participate in this discussion, we appreciate it and we will as I mentioned before, and I've mentioned to a couple of people that have reached out to me, you know, the public comments about this, I think it is a discussion we should continue and I will look forward to that that continued discussion to to find opportunities to prevent some of the considerations they had in that discussion from happening again. So thank you everybody for your time. Do we have any other public comments that anybody that wishes to speak further on agenda items outside of the action items we had today. 1498 03:30:36.480 --> 03:30:37.890 Cindy Corey: unmute. How do I do this. 1499 03:30:39.720 --> 03:30:40.590 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Um, Mrs. Corey. 1500 03:30:40.950 --> 03:30:49.080 Cindy Corey: Yes, yes, I have one comment which is it's my understanding Christian that you are related to Mr harden is that correct? 1501 03:30:49.410 --> 03:30:50.760 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): That is correct. 1502 03:30:50.790 --> 03:31:09.870 Cindy Corey: Well You've just use the wording for his amendment that says that their condition for delayed demolition goes away if someone tries to preserve the site and you just pass that and it seems to me that's a conflict of interest that you're using your is it your uncle? 1505 03:31:12.720 --> 03:31:13.440 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): That's correct. 1506 03:31:13.830 --> 03:31:20.730 Cindy Corey: You're using your uncle on your board to draft legislation that you just passed. It really aggravates the public's right to try to preserve this property. In other words, if the public were even starting a process of landmark you're preserving and I'm just saying if they could, and I don't know that they could, then it kicks in their ability to demolish the Doro immediately. That seems very an unfair amendment, not to mention the fact that you're related to the attorney who just wrote it. 1512 03:31:50.370 --> 03:31:55.470 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Mr. Harden am I able to address that I'd like to address that. Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Please go ahead. 1513 03:31:56.970 --> 03:32:03.390 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): Miss Corey thank thank you for that point and I can assure you that chairman harden did not influence the decision of mine, nor I don't believe any of my colleagues that was actually a point that I raised and was going to be one of my points to consider. 1515 03:32:14.760 --> 03:32:27.480 Brent Allen (DDRB Board): In order to try to make sure that this does not become a vacant lot, I can assure you that any suggestion to the contrary, that Mr. That Chairman harden is is is working in some form or fashion, other than the most highest ethical standards is is not going to be a well received comment but but thank you for it. 1517 03:32:36.750 --> 03:32:39.660 Cindy Corey: Well You may say that, and I appreciate the fact that you are doing your best to try to preserve this property. The actual construction or not to proceed, but nonetheless, this amendment that you've just put on it basically says if the public were to try and preserve this let's just say there was a way to do that in the next two weeks. That, of course, they can't demolish it until they own it, but they would then be able to throw out that amendment and go ahead and proceed with demolition. And I think you have hamstrung the public unfairly. In addition to the fact that it is it is the fact that Mr harden is related to Paul harden and he's the one who came up with that wording, you just use I wrote it down. That's what you just voted on, so I I am bringing that up as an objection on both points. Thank you. 1526 03:33:22.140 --> 03:33:26.700 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay. Well, thank you for your comment. I, I can assure you that I am in no way influenced and if you talk to anybody that knows me understands that I carry myself with the highest level of integrity and ethical concern 1531 03:33:36.870 --> 03:33:37.410 Cindy Corey: persons....biased (inaudible) 1532 03:33:37.890 --> 03:33:38.790 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Excuse me ma'am. 1533 03:33:39.450 --> 03:33:40.260 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Excuse me, ma'am. 1534 03:33:40.740 --> 03:33:42.270 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Do you mind if I finish. No. 1535 03:33:42.330 --> 03:33:42.750 Cindy Corey: No of course not. 1536 03:33:44.430 --> 03:33:59.580 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): So to make that comment and and I think I can probably you know say that over the course of three hours and 15 minutes we have taken this concern with extreme seriousness and there is no.. my responsibility as board Chair, again, is to carry this board intermediate this discussion at the highest level of ethical standards and I can assure you that I have done that. So I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I can assure you that that is not the case. 1539 03:34:19.410 --> 03:34:20.310 Cindy Corey: And I appreciate it. 1540 03:34:20.490 --> 03:34:26.280 Cindy Corey: I never said that your comments were unethical. I said it was a conflict of interest and I thought it was inappropriate. 1541 03:34:26.490 --> 03:34:36.990 Cindy Corey: I can't speak to whether your ethical or not, ethical, I don't know you. I don't know what you're thinking is, but it has the appearance that I think is concerning so that's why I bring it up. 1542 03:34:37.770 --> 03:34:41.160 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): All right. Well, thank you for your time. I have another comment by Mrs O'Leary 1543 03:34:45.060 --> 03:34:46.860 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Hold on one second. I'm trying to unmute you. 1544 03:34:51.000 --> 03:34:56.790 Shannon O'Leary : Hey, is I would think that that should have been mentioned at the beginning, I actually had no idea. so I think from a public standpoint, like, again, this is my first foray into anything. Sorry, but it just would have been good to know. Sorry. That's all. 1547 03:35:22.140 --> 03:35:23.100 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): I'm sorry, I'm sorry go ahead. 1548 03:35:31.560 --> 03:35:32.760 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): Sorry, one second. 1549 03:35:33.540 --> 03:35:34.950 Ina Mezini (Host & DIA Staff): There you go ahead, go ahead. 1550 03:35:35.970 --> 03:35:46.710 Shannon O'Leary : Sorry, I was just interesting to know I got, I have no no say they're here or there is. I just think it would have been good to know at the beginning. I actually had no idea. And again. Sorry for the interruption. 1552 03:35:50.070 --> 03:35:58.230 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): No problem. It's been my. It's why I'm at the office for this media today instead of at home, it's been it's been the last three months of my life. So I, I totally understand. I've got three of them. 1553 03:36:00.150 --> 03:36:03.240 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Okay, well, do we have any other further public comments. 1554 03:36:07.950 --> 03:36:11.520 Christian Harden (DDRB Chair): Seeing as there is not we'll move to ajourn. Thank you everybody for your time today.