78 00:10:56.520 --> 00:11:08.910 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Alright well as everyone continues to be added to the zoom call we will go ahead and read the opening statement and instructions and if it anytime you start hearing feedback or if I cut it in and out Ina or Lori, would you let me know so I can adjust. In an effort to slow the spread of covid 19 virus and to encourage social distancing Governor DeSantis issued an executive order 20-69 Allowing local governments to hold public meetings using communications media technology, rather than in the physical location. In keeping with the executive order the downtown development review board meeting is being held via zoom teleconference which allows interested persons to view and participate in the meeting remotely. Go ahead and introduce the board. I see Mr. Schilling, Ms. Durden, Mr. Loretta, Mr. harden, Mr. Davisson I see Mr. Jones, welcome. 85 00:12:21.690 --> 00:12:22.920 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Chairman Lee, you're on mute. 86 00:12:34.860 --> 00:12:35.790 Ina Mezini: Mr. Lee, you're on mute. 87 00:12:38.250 --> 00:12:38.730 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: There we go. 89 00:12:41.010 --> 00:12:42.780 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Sorry about that is Mr. Allen available? 90 00:12:45.900 --> 00:12:48.450 Ina Mezini: I DO NOT SEE HIM ON THE LINE UP HERE. 91 00:12:51.660 --> 00:12:54.960 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Board member Allen is not able to attend the meeting today. 92 00:12:55.110 --> 00:12:56.280 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Okay, thank you. 93 00:12:57.390 --> 00:13:15.300 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): The agenda for this meeting can be viewed and downloaded from the city of Jacksonville website by navigating to dia.coj.net when the meeting is concluded the recorded version may be accessed by emailing rmezini@coj.net. The public comment period occurs at the beginning of each agenda item all public comments should pertain only to the items on the agenda. And are limited to three minutes and duration individuals who are unable to access the meeting or who wish to submit their comments and advancement do so by submitting their comments via email to RMEZINI@COJ.NET with the title Public comment. public comments submitted by email must be received no later than September 10 2020. Public comments submitted by email will be submitted into the record during the public comment portion of the meeting. Individuals attending the meeting by computer or telephone will be given an opportunity to comment, one at a time in an orderly fashion upon recognition by the meeting host. We'll move on to our agenda now under action items, agenda item A approval of the August 20, 2020 DDRB regular meeting minutes. Do we have any conversation on the meeting minutes? 102 00:14:26.340 --> 00:14:27.300 Christian Harden DDRB Board Member: Motion to approve. 103 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.470 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Hearing none we'll accept the motion to approve by Mr. Harden. 104 00:14:32.430 --> 00:14:32.910 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Second, 105 00:14:33.810 --> 00:14:40.020 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): You have a second by Mr. Schilling, all in favor of approving the meeting minutes from August 20th 2020, say aye. 106 00:14:40.590 --> 00:14:41.730 All Board Members said "Aye" 107 00:14:42.540 --> 00:14:43.410 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Any opposed? 108 00:14:46.110 --> 00:15:10.800 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Great. We'll move on to action item B. DDRB 2020-014 regions bank special sign exception. I understand. This is going to be considered a workshop by applicant Cyndy Trimmer. And I'll ask Cindy, excuse me, I'll ask Lori to please deliver the staff report. 109 00:15:14.070 --> 00:15:20.430 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Thank you, Chairman Lee, I have a quick question. Since this is a workshop item, I don't have a staff report to to report, since we were going to allow them to present their project what's actually being proposed. 111 00:15:33.150 --> 00:15:39.510 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Okay, well let's let's let them go ahead and explain the project. And then I also wanted to recognize Mr. Teal from the Office of General Counsel and CEO Lori Boyer from the DIA. Thank you for joining us today. We'll have additional comments. But let's let the applicant prepare their presentation for the project. 114 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:14.250 Cyndy Trimmer: Okay, perfect. Cyndy trimmer one independent drive suite 1200 on behalf of the applicant and I am trying to share my screen here for everyone. 116 00:16:18.660 --> 00:16:20.010 Ina Mezini: Now, you should be able to, I just put that setting on there. 117 00:16:24.930 --> 00:16:26.190 Cyndy Trimmer: Are we there? 118 00:16:27.900 --> 00:16:28.200 Ina Mezini: Yes. 119 00:16:29.250 --> 00:16:34.320 Cyndy Trimmer: Okay. So I think a lot of folks had been here previously when another entity came through to look at this space right here for development of a garage and back when we had done that it had stopped here and not come the whole way up to Laura because this is a parking lot, that is currently owned by Regions. And now we're going to be under contract to develop that and you'll be seeing that down the road. But with that, we're losing the Region signage and coming back with a new sign plan for everyone to check out today. The signage that we were looking at our to flag signs on the corner of Bay and Laura. One at the back corner of the building on Laura and then a rooftop sign. Running through the materials because I think that a lot of folks have seen kind of what's been going around. It's very straightforward. This is the blade on the back corner of the building. This would be the view from the corner of Laura and Bay where you can see the two blades here and the rooftop sign. One of the things I really want to stress is that throughout this process, We have been engaging with a historic consultant and really trying to be sensitive to the fact that this building is very architecturally significant in terms of what we've got on the facade. There is a lot of ornamentation. And the materials for example, what we've got on this corner right here in particular are terra cotta features that can't be drilled into. So we couldn't do a single blade coming out of this corner like you've seen on a couple of the other downtown buildings. Because that would damage these terracotta features. So that's why you're seeing the smaller signs that we've done here. We've also taken care when you look at these there are architectural columns on this corner with ornamentation at the base and the top of the columns. So we've designed these signs such that they step away from the building and that they're located between those architectural features so that they are not obstructing anything or conflicting with any of the architectural protrusions from the facade of this building. Similarly, with regard to the rooftop sign. We've again looked at the architectural features. The parapet and the ornamentation that we have here and designed this sign such that it's set back is subordinate to the parapet so that it's not the most prominent of the features there will not be the tallest feature there. And then going over to the evening renderings for it. We've got the green logo with the white lettering, and then we'll be having green accent lightings to highlight the architectural features that are on the facade of the building and keeping in line with the other ornamentation that we've got coming on our nighttime skyline. That's really making it dynamic. Running through. I know that there had been some questions about rooftop signs rooftop signs are very common on the historic buildings coming through. They are something that is still permitted under our code through this process. And then in terms of the signage being proposed, and what exists downtown. To give you an idea of some of the other ones that have come through the Cowford Chophouse building which has both the wall and the protruding sign. VyStar which is directly across the corner from us and the signage, they have, again, we can't wrap the corner like this because of our architectural features. We can't come directly from the corner like this because of it. What we're looking at is more in line with what Farrah & Farrah building has done where you've got to have the smaller ones from each corner. And I think I'll stop there. The lighting and material details were all provided to everyone, but I think with this being a workshop and the fact that everybody's seen them. I won't belabor those points. I'll just let you guys raise questions, if there are any. I do want to note that we have a few representatives with us. We have Paul Stravender for Regions and we also have David Caulkins with CBRE who is the sign consultant for Regions and they're also available if there are any questions. 146 00:20:58.020 --> 00:20:59.190 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Miss trimmer. Ms. Boyer would you like to to comment on this project before we open up for public comments? 148 00:21:09.450 --> 00:21:10.380 Lori Boyer (DIA CEO): Sure, is my microphone working Ina? Okay. Just briefly, I don't want to get into the details that you guys are going to be discussing regarding the size of sign exactly or lumens or anything else. But what I do want to point out is there have been conversations going on for over a year regarding the development of the parking garage site that was Ms. Trimmer pointed out to you and by adding the region's parking lot to the parking garage site. I think you are going to see a greatly improved Laura street facade. As a result, because now you're going to have. We're going to be complying with our build to line, you're going to have construction that comes up to the street with a retail frontage on Laura, which is a real value to us. But in doing that, We take away Regions ability to have the large wall sign that they currently have facing the parking lot. And in response to that they're coming back with this proposal, so I would just ask you to bear in mind that, you know, the elimination of the large wall sign is part and parcel of this request. 155 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:42.570 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Ms. Boyer appreciate that input. I'd like to, at this time, go around to the Board members for for feedback, since this is a workshop and we won't be taking a vote. It can be pretty informal. We've got representatives from regions, CBRE and their representative attorney, so we can feel free to ask them questions and maybe if I can just help the process along. I'll ask Mr. Harden to start. 157 00:23:04.170 --> 00:23:04.440 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Mr. Harden. Excuse me. 160 00:23:07.590 --> 00:23:09.480 Christian Harden DDRB Board Member: Just making sure my wife hadn't joined the board yet. So I had a chance to review this I had some ex parte communication on this with Cyndy Trimmer to talk a little bit about the proposal, I think that to try to put it in simple terms, I think that the blade signs for me are fine. I think that the the blade signs look nice. And I think they're in keeping with what we've approved on some other sign exceptions in the area, especially around those blocks around the elbow. But the the sign on the roof top was a little bit larger than I would expect for a historic building. I understand that they've been working with Historic, but it seems to me, you know, from my perspective, you know, and I do. I'm very sensitive to branding. And in the visibility that you're trying to give a project and a business, but it just seemed to be out of scale for me. And so I think that You know if this is a workshop and we're trying to evaluate that, I think, try to bring that down to a more manageable scale so it's not so overwhelming, particularly when it's right there next, to the blade signs and the orientation that's demonstrated in the mock up You know, seems to have it all squished in one area. So I get their desire to have that. It just seems to be a little bit much for me. 169 00:24:24.450 --> 00:24:25.350 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Harden. Mr. Jones. 171 00:24:29.970 --> 00:24:41.340 Fred Jones (DDRB Board): I'm going to echo exactly what Mr. Harden said, I don't want to belabor the issue of scale on the sign on the roof, but that's that's exactly the, the major concern that I have everything else, I think, is fine, it's just the extent to which we can adjust the the scale on the roof sign to make it more consistent and compliant with our regulations, that's all I have. 173 00:24:55.290 --> 00:24:57.240 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Jones. How about Mr. Davisson 174 00:25:00.870 --> 00:25:13.440 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): Yeah, I had communications with Cyndy Trimmer regarding this and I basically concur with the two previous comments regarding the blade signs. Probably being more in line with what the Chophouse did however the sign on the on the roof is, is basically, it's almost billboard scale. And billboard aesthetic and you know it's not only out of scale, I think it's extremely out of scale. And that, that's my comment. Thank you. 177 00:25:38.700 --> 00:25:41.010 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Davisson. And how about Mr. Schilling 178 00:25:42.750 --> 00:25:53.370 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I know we're not taking any action or vote on this today but, but I did want to share with with the board that Kimley Horn is providing services to Regions bank specifically related to the site. So because of that conflict, I'm going to be recusing myself when this this item does come for a vote before the the board so wanted to share that. And at this point, I don't have any further comments. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 181 00:26:13.560 --> 00:26:16.380 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Schilling, Ms. Durden 182 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.230 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I Would agree with the comments that you've heard in regards to the roof sign. In addition to the size I think it's in the wrong location. And I don't know if there's another location because when I say that I think it's in the wrong location because it just fights, it battles with the balustrade or whatever the proper architectural term is for the rooftop Architectural detail.I noticed in the photograph or one of the photographs, where it showed Cowford, that Cowford figured out a way to they found another location for their for their sign for their you know their large sign. And it's in keeping with the scale of the building. And there's no page numbers. I can't direct it to a page number but it's on one of the pages. With the four photographs of the one for Cowford Chophouse. I think that that rather than having it at above, that above the building. Is there any opportunity I would like the applicant to consider whether there's an opportunity for that sign to be in a slightly different location. Because it does really seem to go to battle and and we lose the beauty and aesthetic of that architectural detail at the top of the building. In addition to the scale and the location of that roof sign, I want to raise another issue and that is if you've looked at the proposed night view, I am significantly concerned about the green neon. Well, I won't call it neon but the green lighting and and what this has been brought to my attention in the last week. Because I haven't been downtown at night much, but I was here last Thursday night, and I was also here last night, and when I went home, I was on Thursday I was extremely surprised to see The blue lights emanating from the VyStar building. and I have a real concern that I want to express to my Board members, my fellow Board members as well as to Ms. Boyer and to the DIA staff. I'm concerned that our sign code does not encompass that type of lighting and I don't know if any of the Board members have seen the VyStar building at night and you know i love VyStar. They're one of my banks and I know that they do a tremendous amount for our city. But I was alarmed, I guess that's a fair word or very surprised to see the amount of blue light emanating from their, their building and I see that here in the proposed night view that regions is planning a very similar proposal with the green emanating or it looks similar. At least from what has been provided to us. I don't know exactly. Obviously I can speak to it. Because of this, I would have concerns about that, but I actually at this point. Don't know whether this kind of lighting even constitutes signage under our code. And I don't know whether there's actually anything that the DDRB can do outside of of possibly encouraging revision to allow encompassing to allow us to have any Governance over that type of lighting, but that is the only other concern that I have. I'm good with the blade signage. And I think they are appropriate and I want to say that I appreciate the the applicants sensitivity to the Terracotta I think it was called it terracotta features on that corner. I definitely do appreciate that. And I think that the scale of those is fine but I wanted to express that concern about the lighting, as well as the scale and location. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 223 00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:30.960 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Ms. Durden for those comments. Mr. Loretta. 224 00:32:32.340 --> 00:32:32.940 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Hello. So if I could ask staff, chairperson. The blade signs, is there, do they have a specific size criteria in the code? Is it 24 square feet or is that just is there no actual code for that? 229 00:32:56.220 --> 00:33:06.870 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Board member Loretta through the Chair, there is code for that and projection signs, which is what they're called, is they're allowed 24 square feet. 230 00:33:06.930 --> 00:33:07.380 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Yeah, okay. 231 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.290 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: That's allowable square footage. 232 00:33:10.320 --> 00:33:18.150 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So, I mean, yeah. And what that means, guys, is that that they're supposed to have a overall sign copier of 24 square feet. Which could be eight by three or or 10 by you know 2.4 something of that nature. I mean, I don't know what Cowford Chophouse signs are but they're kind of just to the width of the letters on the, on the, on the text and here's got a lot more green space wrapping around it so personally I'm almost a little bit different than many others and that The I think that at least the blade signs need to come down and meet code. There's no reason they don't meet code. There's no reason they should not meet code in my opinion. And to me, it should should come down to 24 square feet of sign face area. and then the other sign on top. I think the thing that's missing is right now. It does look like a billboard. And it's missing, like the whole industrial look to these old images that Cyndy you showed. And so, you know, just, it really just got four metal pylons going vertical. It just doesn't, you know, if you go back and you look at these. The Merida or the jax beer. It's truly, you know, kind of much more industrial looking, which is really not what it is that that you're you promoted at this point. And so I think you know i you've heard a lot from many that have said, you know, let's reduce it. But maybe we try to get it to become a little bit more about, you know, industrial style look. If I'm not mistaken. Here's a sign we approved a year or two ago, and I think it was for the residential development to the west of the of the school board and they kind of had a, they were going for some sort of sign, similar to this about two, three years ago. But anyway, that's kind of my thought. I think it could be kind of interesting if it you know takes a little bit more of a you know, some mash or metal framework and and kind of take it back to something a little bit more historical looking then then what shown right now. 245 00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:41.220 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you. Mr. Loretta, appreciate those comments. I do have a few comments myself. I have a question for Ms. Trimmer who I also had ex parte communication before this meeting, Ms. Trimmer what, what is the square foot of the existing sign, I understand that if the new garages is built this will prevent their existing wall sign from being seen that's facing north and part of the reason for the rooftop signage, as well as all the additional signs is to sill have some signage on the building that's going to be covered by this new garage. Do we know how big that existing sign is? 249 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:24.630 Cyndy Trimmer: To the chair. I do not know the exact measurement of it. I do not know if Paul or David on the line, have the existing sign measurements. 250 00:36:27.270 --> 00:36:30.060 D0NA0: This is Paul and I do not David did you by any chance? 252 00:36:32.040 --> 00:36:33.150 David Caulkins: Yes. Just a minute to find it. 253 00:36:35.610 --> 00:36:56.280 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Yeah, I'd be curious to see, you know, are we replacing an existing sign with an equivalent square foot or close to an equivalent square foot of signage with these four new signs, or or is it a new add and then I'd echo the scale comments to you know I think this being a highly articulate two story building The sign just appears and sort of feels to be out of scale with with the building. When you add the 12 foot high corner signs and all the corners of the of the building. That aren't abuting another another project. I'd also add that, you know, one of my concerns is is setting a precedent and I'm concerned that if we set a precedent of a very large billboard sign on the roof. That we will have opened the doors to every two or three or four story building downtown having a billboard style rooftop signs, which I think will decrease the aesthetic appeal of our of our city. So those are one of one or two of my concerns. And hopefully we'll have that existing square foot sign in a minute. But while we're waiting on that. Again, this is a workshop. So if the applicant at anytime feels like responding to any of the comments of the Board so far, you're welcome to do that. Ina I'd like to know if we have any public comment cards. 262 00:38:13.020 --> 00:38:17.520 Ina Mezini: Yeah, so we have a hand raised currently by Nancy Powell and that is the only hand raised. 263 00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:34.170 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Okay, well let's go ahead and allow the public comment section to continue while we wait for some of the feedback from the applicants, give them a little bit of time. So we'll start Ms. Powell's three minutes. As soon as soon as she begins. Thank you. 264 00:38:35.160 --> 00:38:43.440 Nancy Powell: Hi there, Nancy Powell. I am the executive director of Scenic Jacksonville and I did send a document to everybody. So I don't want to, which has a little more detail in it for your consideration, Cyndy. I'll forward it to you. I meant to do that. But so Scenic Jacksonville has been involved with billboard legislation for a long time. We work to to, you know, eliminate new billboards. Back with our founder Bill Britain who was a who was very active in this. And so the We all, we also were instrumental in the sign ordinances that are in place today, which if you read them are really pretty good. And I, I would encourage you all to really take those seriously. I think that there is a danger of a collective impact of all of those discrete decisions of waving the sign ordinances. As to what is that going to be like, as you said, with other rooftop signs with other signs that are 50% larger than the code allows, with others so in this particular building. It is a beautiful historic building. And I think the question you have to ask is does the signage take away from the building. Or does it add to it. Does your does your eye go to the building architecture or does it be drawn, just to the signs. And I am a Regions customer. I love Regions bank. Okay, I would encourage Regions to think about this because bigger is not always better. It can cheapen the brand. And I have a marketing background too. So I get marketing, but too many signs too big of signs is not necessarily better and in this case it violates the sign ordinances, the number of signs. The projecting signs are 50% bigger than what's allowed and the rooftop sign as I as I would say is it takes away from the architectural features of the building, which which are in, it's really just unnecessary. I was also say that the as it relates to the wall sign on the other side of the property, you guys ruled a couple months ago, I believe that this is not on the corner that that wall is not on the corner. When they develop, they have a right to have a sign if they have a corner building And so if they develop that empty lot right there. They can put a sign on that facade, but it's not part of you don't just get the right to have it. If it's an empty lot next door. So, so I would say, you know, I understand that might be a part of the negotiations, but I would encourage you all to think about the collective impact of all of these decisions, including the lighting that Brena talked about, because if all the buildings now become lit up. You know, maybe that's what you want. Maybe that's not what we want. And I think it's a bigger issue that reevaluating The decisions as it relates to the sign ordinances and if you they need to be changed because you guys have a different vision of how that is then you should look at it holistically, but every decision adds to this issue. So that's my comments. Thank you. And I would. Can I just add one thing that the rooftop sign you know the the billboards. You saw up there on the old signs. This is not a historic sign. And so you can't recreate a historic site if it was already there. I think that was that would be one thing, like the Sun Ray had had a historic sign built, but this is a very modern sign. So it has nothing to do with historic historic signs. 286 00:42:16.470 --> 00:42:22.410 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Well thank you Ms. Powell. Ms. Menzini, do we have any other public comments to share at this time. 287 00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:25.410 Ina Mezini: There are no additional hands raised. 288 00:42:26.790 --> 00:42:30.270 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Great. Are there any comments from the applicant. In response to any of the Board comments or on the square footage of the existing sign? 290 00:42:35.850 --> 00:42:43.410 D0NA0: Uhm. This is Paul Stravender with Regions, I'm in corporate real estate and I do have a few points that I want to make. Just to be sure that everyone kind of understands the the project. Obviously, this is the downtown main office building of Regions bank. And when you look at the photographs it's going to be a bit different, in that currently it's flanked by one large parking structure. After the development of this VyStar deck in conjunction with the city, is going to be flanked by two large parking structures. And as a result, the Region's corporate headquarters or downtown main office building will basically be dwarfed by those two structures and you know the comment was made about the the signage on the corner. We will no longer have a corner in that that parking structure will be inches from our existing building and they will go to the corner. And so the visibility in the operation of the of the Regions facility has been a key and integral part of this. Overall development discussion now for years. I think it started. Roughly three years ago with another developer. And now you know certainly we're doing this in partnership with the city of Jacksonville, as well as VyStar, to accommodate parking requirements in the downtown area so you know one thing just to take in mind that that the building that you see now. You won't be able to see when it's when it's flanked to the extent it will be. And so the flag signs will add that exposure and and there is a need for that that rooftop signage. We certainly will be mindful to the to the integrity of the building and the historical nature of the building, which are certainly taken into consideration. And and we want to work, certainly in conjunction with you to come up with a with a viable solution. 303 00:44:34.230 --> 00:44:35.940 Cyndy Trimmer: Through the Chair, may also jump in? 304 00:44:36.810 --> 00:44:51.270 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Yes, please. Thank you for those comments and also remind speakers, both public and from applicants to please state your name and your full address when speaking I forgot to mention that. But going forward. Can we PLEASE DO THAT. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD AND Ms. Trimmer 305 00:44:51.540 --> 00:45:00.510 Cyndy Trimmer: Thank you. So we really, really appreciate the opportunity to get this feedback and kind of go back and talk amongst ourselves and see what we're going to have when we come back in October, which hopefully they will be looking at this with the garage at that time. I do want to make sure in terms of the narrative that we're just all being careful a billboard 672 square feet were a fifth of that depending on how you measure it were either 150 square feet or 78.4 square feet. In the narrative. I was using the logo and the lettering, not the exterior perimeter and I had gone back when I did the application and looked how Cowford was done specifically And their application and their approval had been done based on logo lettering not exterior. So we'll, we'll get that clarified before we come back. But when you're hearing the approval if you hear that our sounds so much bigger than Cowford, for example. It's going to be because of that difference in how the measurement was calculated, I believe, based on our lettering that we are consistent with prior approvals. That were done. And when they were looking at under 24 they were looking at the logo letter portion of the sign. But we'll definitely take care of that. As to placement I alluded to, but we really did look at trying to find a way to mount this as a traditional wall sign and it's just the ornamentation on this building just did not afford the opportunity. I mean, we worked with design consultant, and we went on site and we walked the property. I actually got to climb into a closet onto the roof, which was a whole new experience for me. And look at the opportunities there. And I think most people know how I'm normally dressed. So it was fun for everyone. But this this was what we could come up with. And in order to get anything that resembles a type of traditional wall type sign the bill the roof really is where we have to mount it So we'll, we'll take to heart the feedback on scale and aesthetic and look at that, in terms of the lighting on the building. This is going to be far more equivalent to the center state bank and the up lighting that you're seeing on something like that. Rather than the kind of track lighting that's lighting up the entire facade on the VyStar building and that type of ornamental lighting actually is required by code. If you're asking for interiorly illuminated signs you are required to have accent lighting. In order that at nighttime the illumination of the signs isn't the only thing that you're seeing. It's meant to be accent lighting such that the ornamental features of the building are still prominent and important and highlighted so I would ask that are there are absolutely colored lights downtown, Center Street immediately cross the street is done. It's very tasteful. I love it. And I love that. There's a color changing and it adds a lot of character. So I would really ask that we be permitted to keep that colored lighting in consistent with the brand and tastefully done to illuminate the features and In terms of the signage that we're losing. We'll get the metrics on that. I apologize that I don't have those numbers, but Paul had kind of alluded to the fact that we did have the corner of this property and we had the ability to put signage back there. But once this happens. It's not like we could put signage on that back corner or negotiate to put signage on the back corner, even if that was possible because that would be considered off site signage. And that is definitely prohibited and not something that we could get around with this special exception. So like I said, we're looking for alternatives. They are going to be buried between these garages and definitely want to get their place in terms of the branding on the skyline. I did want to ask if I could a point of clarification for any of the Board members that want to chime in. In terms of the actual style of the rooftop sign. I know a couple folks had commented on it. The other ones that focused on the scale. I just want to get clarity, if the The style of the sign was something that was that you were open to or if everybody that focused on scale just didn't really talk about the style. I want to make sure we have the opportunity to focus on that aspect as well since Board member Loretta did raise that. 333 00:49:19.830 --> 00:49:22.590 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Would Board member Loretta like to respond? 334 00:49:25.080 --> 00:49:27.660 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): I think Cindy was almost asking the other folks, their opinions, because I responded kind of to the style that you know maybe if it became a little bit more industrial and appearance, then It could become less obtrusive along with potentially being a bit smaller as well. But so that was that was just my kind of thought is how they could maybe attempt to make the sign somewhat appear cohesive to what was done in the past without becoming too over the top. 340 00:50:10.230 --> 00:50:21.510 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): I appreciate that Mr. Loretta I'd like to also just kind of comment to real quickly. The current Region sign that faces NorthYou know, is a white lettering with a green triangle and no green background, that Cowford Chop House current sign that that is on the building. The very long horizontal side has a very dark background that somewhat blends in with its architecture. So one of the issues might be just the just the overall size of the very, very large and imposing green rectangle that that might be you know where everyone's eyes sort of getting drawn to because it's just so intense, you know of a color on the roof. Whereas the sign that faces South currently on the region's building doesn't have that big green triangle, it kind of blends in somewhat elegantly with what the way they painted the building white in the back. So it's a little, you know, for lack of a better term classier. Just a thought. And I think Cowford did it nicely as well where they use the background to their lettering. That wasn't, you know, so, so sort of overpowering to their, their brand. Are there any other comments from the Board or from the applicant, I would, we do have other agenda items. So I'd like to move on. If we think we've given enough feedback and if Ms Trimmer, and the other applicants feel like they have something to work with. Before conceptual approval. 348 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:49.680 Cyndy Trimmer: I i do and i again i really appreciate the opportunity. And to my gentlemen, if there's anything else that you want to pose. Now's the time otherwise we'll circle back and we'll see you soon. 349 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:58.020 David Caulkins: I did get to the size and it's 39.65 square feet. Is what would be removed. 350 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:05.610 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Wonderful. So we have an existing building sign that is 39.6 square feet. We're replacing it with the three corner signs and the one rooftop sign. Thank you very much for that. 353 00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:25.650 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): You're welcome. Thank you very much for allowing us to provide this workshop feedback. We appreciate your respect and for your sensitivity to our downtown to our aesthetic. Thank you. 355 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:33.540 D0NA0: Thank you. 356 00:52:36.270 --> 00:52:43.590 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Moving on, unless there are objections by the Board, I would like to swap an agenda item. Because we have Ruby for final approval and I know that one or maybe more Board members have a hard stop at four and I want to make sure we have full quorum available for a final approval, which should be fairly straightforward. So unless there are any objections by staff or by the Board, I'd like to move Agenda item. Excuse me. DDRB 2020 009 Ruby Beach Brewing Company final to our next agenda item. If there are no objections I'll ask Ms. Radcliffe-Meyers to read the staff report. 362 00:53:31.680 --> 00:53:45.210 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Right. Thank you, Chairman Lee. My name is Lori Radcliffe-Meyers with the Downtown Investment Authority, and I will be presenting an overview of DDRB application 2020 009 the Ruby Beach Brewing Company. DDRB application 2020 0096 final approval for the renovation of an existing two story brick building, formerly known as the letter shop. Along with the construction of a new 32 foot by 64 foot outdoor beer garden for the Ruby Beach brewery. At the meeting on July 9 2020 the downtown development review board voted for conceptual approval of application 2020 009 subject to the following recommendations. Prior to submital for final review the developer shall meet with staff to identify any deviation sought At final review the developer shall provide enough detail so as to illustrate that the pedestrian zone meets the definition of such in the ordinance code and meets the various requirements and design ammenity features. That streetlights benches and street furnishing shall be placed in the amminety area. And at final review the Developer Show, provide enough detail so as to illustrate that the screening and landscaping of surface parking meets the definition of such and the ordinance code and meets the square footage and depth required. At final approval the applicant has redesigned the project to address the recommendations put forth by the board. The outdoor beer garden has been expanded to incorporate more of the existing surface parking area. Street trees have been added within the pedestrian realm and street furnishings have been added, ensuring the project satisfies the recommendations. Based on the foregoing the downtown development review board staff supports final approval of DDRB application 2020 009. This concludes staff summation staff is available for questions. Thank you. 374 00:55:30.780 --> 00:55:33.210 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Ms. Radcliffe-Meyers I appreciate that. I'd like to have the applicant come forward and make any presentation on the changes from the initial submission to this submission. Please go ahead. 377 00:55:50.340 --> 00:55:51.420 Elias Hionides - PETRA: Hey everybody. Can you hear me. Elias Hionides 329 West Sixth Street Jacksonville, Florida, 32206. I'm here to present on behalf of the developer and for Ruby Beach Brewing Company. So let me share my screen here. Give me one second. Can everybody see that? So this is the exterior proposal for Ruby Beach Brewing Company. As Lori said we got through conceptual approval and here we are now with the final. So this is the current exterior that you can see there the proposed exterior here, you'll see that the front facade is remaining essentially the same trying to take advantage of the historic nature of this facade and enhancing it with some new tile doing some painting work on the trim and adding a glass garage door to the front to encourage interaction with the pedestrian zone and also to increase airflow and fresh air into the building in the time of Covid-19. Some exterior updates here listed. So you can see that there are some decals that are existing from the original letter shop. The plan is to paint a couple of interesting things on there like the building address or you know Ruby Beach into one, George Washington over here. There are some things that, you know, writing in Ruby, or the address all of the metal trim to be painted black, a brand signage there in the center and there will be light rails added to the top and the bottom, the light on the top to shine down on the building and the light on the bottom to shine up on the building. There is exterior illuminated blade sign on the corner and exterior wall sconces, garage glass roll up door and the retiling of the facade. When you get to the signage on the blade sign, you'll see that there's the Ruby Beach Brewing Company blade signage that's on the corner of, that's the eastern corner of the building that will be facing the beer garden. This is the wall sign. It's a four by six wall sign That's a simple, it's a non-lit sign that is going to be lit from the light rails that will be shining up and then shining down from the top. This is the corner blade. It's 27 and a half inches long. 84 inches tall, eight inches thick and the corner blade runs 4000 lumens. This is the light rail system that we have selected for the top and the bottom. So high quality system made of us, I believe it's steel of some kind, it gives off a really nice glowing light, the intention is not to put any type of blue LED light, but more softer lighting, to sort of enhance continue to enhance and the historic nature of the building, you can see the three wall sconces there as well. For up and down light. These are the specs of the light rail system. This package is in the DDRB packet that Lori submitted, so you will be able to look into the specs closer. I'm not going to get into every detail here. Same thing goes here for these exterior sconces the specs of which are in the package presented by the DDRB staff. This is the exterior tile selection. It's just a simple two by two matt porcelain tile and again we're looking to put in classic design elements that will withstand the test of time and enhance the current retro vibe of the building. This is the glass roll up door. It's an eight by nine foot roll up door model 904. This will be facing for side street on the western you're looking at the building the Western storefront again the intention here to increase interaction with the pedestrian zone and to increase natural air flow through the Tap Room, to encourage indoor dining. As Lori said, we are not seeking any deviations from the DDRB. It was requested that we look into expanding the courtyard and eliminating the parking. So you'll see that the courtyard has been expanded quite a bit. I should say outdoor beer garden slash courtyard. It has been expanded, this parking is really now only serving as a drive isle for deliveries. And there is a gate that will open and close, as well as an arbor over to enhance the aesthetics from the streetscape. This is a zoomed in detail of the streetscape, detailing the building front of zone of two feet. Pedestrian clears out of six feet and a six by nine amenity or six foot nine inch amenity area. These are two new live oaks. So to new tree wells. With live oaks to provide shade. Trash receptacle and park bench here. Our intent is to actually add another one, another park bench here. This is amenity area requirements by the DDRB, to encourage interaction with the street. We're very confident with the outdoor beer garden and the glass roll up door facing Forsyth that this will be a nice place for people to be able to hang out either before they come in or after if there's an event being held upstairs folks from go downstairs. They can hang out on the street, a little bit. Florida theater is obviously less than a block away. So the goal being that this will draw people in from shows and concerts to the location. These are renderings that you can see. These are just renderings you'll see the selections of materials in later slides, but you can see how there's the two tree wells providing shade the park benches and trash receptacles. The covered area of the beer garden, and then the open area in the back. That is not covered. You'll also see here where there's the gate in the arbor. This is another angle here you can see the perspective of the height. And the park benches and the shade. Another shot looking west down Forsyth Street. The bench and trash receptacles selections are part of the city of Jacksonville guidelines. So this was taken directly from what Lori provided me from staff. So these will be the benches and trash receptacles that we will use to match what exists throughout downtown currently. This is a front elevation. So you can see you've got the planter wall WITH THE FENCE OR gate, I should say this is the outdoor beer garden with the sails up above to provide shade. You can see the original facade as listed and the glass garage door. Side elevation looking west. Interior building sections. So this is a better view of what the first floor plan looks like the rear is the actual brew house itself where they brew the beer. The front of the first floor is just the Tap Room, and then this large outdoor area here, the upstairs is all entirely event space. So you can see broken down the brewery itself has 1174 square feet. The Tap Room is 1130 square feet and the event space upstairs 2300 square feet. The outdoor area. 1,0862. The exterior beer garden. Intends to have here these composite decking tell squares. They're 12 by 12 interlocking we've used these and other projects and had great success, they're attractive and they were well. This is the barrier protection and the sliding gate selection here. So it's a pressure treated lumber with mixed sizing. So without not not having it look, we want to break it up. I did not look something standard, but rather a more designed. It to be installed to code height for the court yard railing, the slide engages on a horizontal rolling rail system, meaning it doesn't swing. It's going to be opened east west along for Forsyth street. Finally, these are the sun shade sails. You see these pretty commonly throughout outdoor rooftops and things of that nature. And that's the exterior corner covering And that's the end of the presentation. 443 01:07:00.270 --> 01:07:09.750 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you very much for that. I appreciate it. Let's go through Board comments and this time we'll start and reverse order with Mr. Loretta 444 01:07:19.380 --> 01:07:21.810 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): No significant comments. I think it's pretty cool and it's really exciting appreciate You know, all these younger folks here in Jacksonville helping develop develop us for the future and appreciate it. Thank you. 447 01:07:35.190 --> 01:07:36.810 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you Mr. Loretta, Ms. Durden. 448 01:07:41.040 --> 01:07:55.080 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think Elias you did a great job of listening to a lot of the comments that we had and I appreciate that very much. Um, I have a couple of questions, one on the blade sign what is the background. Is it what, number one what's the color of the blade of the background of the blade sign and is it transparent so that light will shine through it, even though it's very dark. What's the material Of that and I'm looking at the corner blade. 453 01:08:23.850 --> 01:08:41.610 Elias Hionides - PETRA: Sure, so it's black. It's not coming out that black that well in the slide itself, but that is a black background. So when it's lit it's shines through the black very minimally but really it's the Ruby Beach brewing and the Red Diamond. I guess the red ruby. Yes. That will shine through. So the purpose of the sign the way that it was designed is that the black sort of fades to the background and that the Ruby Beach glows outside of it. 456 01:08:58.020 --> 01:09:20.220 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, I'm the I'm just to clarify, I would like to hear from staff about the rail lighting and the 4000 lumens. Again, I'm not a lighting specialist and I don't know. Is that a lot. Is that okay, I heard what Elias said about it being a soft. But I guess I'm a little sensitive to to, it's not the first time my Board members have heard me say that I'm sensitive to the strength of the lumens of these different signs. And then the last question. I am it up to questions. Two more questions. What's the size of the trees at installation of the two oak trees. 461 01:09:51.870 --> 01:10:03.510 Elias Hionides - PETRA: The intent for the oak trees is to be the size of the city of Jacksonville installs when they typically do their tree planting programs. So I believe that's over six and a half feet. So That's actually much larger than that they're typically eight 9, 10 feet. I don't have the exact number of what that looks like, but The intent is to plant something that is Large enough and scale to where it makes an impact on day one and is not a little baby. Off the ground. 466 01:10:25.950 --> 01:10:27.390 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, great. And The last question I had was just about the I forget what they're what you refer to them as the The shade covers the shade cover in the street detail shows them being rather rectangular. I'm just wondering, but then you also showed the kind of triangular ones in your they look very different in the exterior courtyard covering. So I'm just, I just want to make sure is it that I'm That's how they're going to go together. They'll still form the rectangles over the beer over the portion of the beer garden like is shown in your street detail as opposed to the triangle triangular ones that. 472 01:11:25.860 --> 01:11:39.480 Elias Hionides - PETRA: They're going to. So if you look at the last slide, which is slide number 24 they're going to be, they're going to be eight by eight, but they're going to be more of these triangular, that was a rendering done by our architects. We. That's why we describe the selections in more detail and following slides, but the intent is to cover the entire area with the rectangle. So you can see how there's little very few gaps in the Exterior courtyard covering slide that's the intent. The intent is to keep together the rectangles in such a way, or the triangles in such a way that they form a complete covering 479 01:12:08.160 --> 01:12:15.780 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, okay, because I think that that looks a lot you know more, I guess, a put together you know design. The design is nicer so I that's actually other than the lumens, which we can wait till other people have spoken, but to getting comments from staff but I appreciate the big changes. I appreciate the amenities. The focus on the amenities and also you know the decision to get rid of that parking I think was was is a really good one. And I think that the design is I think it will do exactly what you're hoping, which is to attract people to to the to the beer garden. Thank you. Thank you. 484 01:13:02.850 --> 01:13:05.160 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Ms. Durden for those comments, Mr. Schilling. 485 01:13:06.660 --> 01:13:09.570 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So a question for the Applicant I know in looking through the package, you've got the basically the slide gate and and similar to the other board members, I'm a huge fan of the expansion of the beer garden. I think that that looks looks terrific for this site. So I guess the question I have is, is really the intent of the leftover pavement now really that'll just be used for deliveries and and and not for any parking at this point. 489 01:13:38.190 --> 01:13:46.260 Elias Hionides - PETRA: Correct. So in the back of the building there's a loading door that leads directly into the brewhouse the actual brewing facility in the rear. So that's just a drive isle. So essentially there's enough room for there'll be a driveway thats call it eight feet wide or something along those lines. That's a drive isle size to where it's just a truck can pull in the back, a box truck can pull in the back, load up kegs into the rear unload barley, hops, that type of thing. And then drive right out with the gate remaining closed the majority of the time, and only open at those times for delivery. 492 01:14:17.460 --> 01:14:23.790 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Okay. Okay. Great. All right. And again, I'll share a thank you. Because I know that that you've done a great job addressing the comments that the I know that I had on this and I think it looks great. I also commend you for for getting the, the two street trees in and out out in front of the site. And I think it's a huge improvement. So thank you very much and that those are all the comments I have. Thank you. 495 01:14:44.310 --> 01:14:46.680 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Schilling how about Mr. Davisson. 496 01:14:49.230 --> 01:15:02.190 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): You know, considering I walk by this every day, considering what this spaces is, which is just wall to wall to wall street asphalt. I think just this is just a great use an improvement and I think the strike you've made strides to, you know, from the conceptual conceptual review till now. And I think it's above and beyond. So I appreciate it. And I have no further comments. 498 01:15:16.890 --> 01:15:18.840 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you Mr. Davisson, Mr. Jones. 499 01:15:20.550 --> 01:15:31.560 Fred Jones (DDRB Board): Elias. This is an absolute home run. I think it says a lot about our downtown. When a establishment leaves Jax Beach and comes downtown and not the reverse. So that's really to be commended. everything that you've done all of the details. I mean, I've always love the kitschy character of that building, with the letter shop so preserving that is spot on. This just creating a great address. And I think this is just going to create even more marketability to the Morgan building that's adjacent to it. So I don't think you're gonna have any issue leasing that out now. In fact, I saw that, I said that's a great place to relocate somebody's office. And so with this. 503 01:15:58.230 --> 01:15:58.980 Elias Hionides - PETRA: Calm down, Fred. 504 01:16:00.060 --> 01:16:11.070 Fred Jones (DDRB Board): Yeah. So now it's awesome. And I think, again, when you combine this with the two weighing of Forsyth, I think we're beginning to create a great address, which is our goal here. Thanks. 505 01:16:12.510 --> 01:16:14.640 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Jones. Mr. Harden 506 01:16:18.450 --> 01:16:21.210 Christian Harden DDRB Board Member: I have no comments. I think the project looks great and I will support it. 507 01:16:23.730 --> 01:16:33.600 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Harden and appreciate that. And I agree with all of the incredibly positive and warm comments from the Board. This is a fantastic project. I think it's very well executed. I think it's sensitive to the historic nature of the buildings but adds just the right amount of modern elements to keep it current and relevant. So I appreciate the hard work you and your team have done. At that point, I'll close the board comments, Ms. Menzini, do we have any public comments? 510 01:16:52.230 --> 01:16:55.320 Ina Mezini: We do. We have a Nancy Powell's hand raised. 511 01:16:56.730 --> 01:17:00.840 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Wonderful will recognize Ms. Powell for her three minutes. Thank you. 512 01:17:01.740 --> 01:17:10.170 Nancy Powell: I don't need three minutes. I just want to compliment the applicant and I was here during the last conceptual review meeting and heard the input. And you've really taken it to heart and improved the project. I'm excited to go there. I love the streetscape that you did as far as having the, you know, making room for those Live Oaks in the shade trees is huge. It's, it's wonderful with the benches there as well as the expanded outdoor space. I think we all appreciate that a lot more these days, then we may be used to, but it really looks exciting and thank you very much. 515 01:17:38.550 --> 01:17:51.180 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you Ms. Powell we will close the public comments, and if there are no for the comments from the Board or the applicant, then I will ask for a vote to approve. For excuse me for final approval on DDRB agenda item dash 009 with no additional conditions that we need to vote on. 517 01:18:03.300 --> 01:18:03.720 Christian Harden DDRB Board Member: Moved 518 01:18:04.350 --> 01:18:05.520 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Move. Thank you, Mr. Harden. 519 01:18:05.580 --> 01:18:06.030 Second, 520 01:18:07.350 --> 01:18:11.220 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Loretta. We have a second. All those in favor please say aye. 521 01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:13.020 Christian Harden DDRB Board Member: Aye. Aye. 522 01:18:13.860 --> 01:18:15.480 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Any opposed say nay. 523 01:18:16.950 --> 01:18:21.900 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Wonderful. The motion carries. You have final approval. Thank you again for your presentation and good luck. 524 01:18:22.590 --> 01:18:25.290 Elias Hionides - PETRA: Thank you guys, appreciate it very much. Thank you. 525 01:18:27.510 --> 01:18:30.780 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Wonderful. Okay. Well, at this time, we'll move back up to DDRB 2012 Dash 009 the BRT overland hub modification. Ms. Radcliffe-Meyers, could we please have the staff report. 528 01:18:44.940 --> 01:18:58.740 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Yes, thank you again Chairman Lee. My name is Lori Radcliffe-Meyers with the Downtown Investment Authority, and I will be presenting an overview of DDRB application 2012 009 the BRT overland hub modification. DDRB application 2012 009 seeks a modification to the final approval for the Jacksonville Transit Authority bus rapid transit station at Kings Avenue. The applicant is requesting a modification to the final approval, which will modify the kings Avenue station approved as a standard bus rapid transit stop with no transit shelters into a multi modal mobility hub. On August 2 2012 the applicant applied for DDRB approval to install 13 bus rapid transit locations within the downtown overlay district that included streetscape improvements. As well as the design of the location and construction of bus rapid transit elements. The typical shelter location included two shelters. Which are 16 feet long by five feet in with an informational sign transit vending machines waste receptacles and bicycle racks.The modification proposed includes the redesign of the site to allow for the additional drop off and pick up lanes. The addition of an electric vehicle charging station. Angled parking, the reconfiguration of the BRT lane and branded transit shelters with kiosks. Based on the foregoing the downtown development review board STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF modifications as follows. To reduce the South driveway width a king's Avenue. To change the South driveway at Kings avenue to one way, to create a separate entrance for the public access and parking area to restrip the public parking area to angle parking and add electric vehicle charging station. To add a lane in the public access area for passenger drop off and pick up. To create an exit only driveway at the north end for public access area and the JTA UTC vehicles to create a separate enter only driveway at the north end for the onyx street Skyway station access. To add an additional lane for drop off and pick up for the UTC in the JTA access area to reconfigure the bus rapid transit lane from a sawtooth pull in to straight curve. And to add branded transit shelters and kiosks. No modification of DDR be approved following conditions. A free standing informational sign associated with the locations, not to exceed 12 feet in height and three feet in width. this conclude staff summation staff is available for questions. Thank you. 543 01:21:47.430 --> 01:22:07.140 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Ms. Radcliffe-Meyers. And before we begin board comments. I wanted to notify the Board of a conflict, the applicant is HDR engineering, as many of you know, I work for HDR architecture. So while I will be managing the process, I will be recusing myself from voting on this project. Let's start with Mr. Harden. Yes, Mr. Teal please go ahead. 546 01:22:22.410 --> 01:22:27.420 Jason Teal OGC: Yes, Mr. Chairman, since you're going to be recusing yourself from this this particular item your vice chair is going to have to run the meeting, I guess, of the item. And so if you wouldn't mind turning it over to the Vice Chair. 547 01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:32.640 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Not at all. Vice Chair. Would you mind taking over at this point, please. 548 01:22:34.830 --> 01:22:35.730 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Chairman Lee? Brent Allen is not in the meeting. 551 01:22:41.280 --> 01:22:42.330 Jason Teal OGC: Oh, yeah. Like the secretary, then. 552 01:22:43.140 --> 01:22:48.510 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Yeah, Ms. Secretary, would you mind taking over the meeting from this point for this applicant. Thank you. 553 01:22:51.360 --> 01:22:57.000 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Thank you. I'll do my best. I wasn't anticipating that today, but it's good practice. So we are. We've heard the staff report, and I believe now, have we would go to the applicant to make a presentation. 555 01:23:14.970 --> 01:23:22.470 George McGregor: All right. Good afternoon. This is George McGregor with HDR engineering and I'm going to present the project on behalf of JTA. Let me share my screen now. 557 01:23:37.440 --> 01:23:39.390 George McGregor: So can you see my screen. 558 01:23:45.420 --> 01:23:45.990 Yes. 559 01:23:51.120 --> 01:23:55.140 George McGregor: This is the request to modify a previously approved plan. In 2012 JTA started their bus rapid transit program HDR designed a complete downtown hub system that included stations on Broad and Jefferson streets as well as Riverplace. And over at the Kings Avenue station. Due to the impending construction of the improvements on on 95 for the overland bridge this station was put on hold and since that time that it was approved, JTA has decided to add additional amenities to the project. My name is George McGregor, and my address is 76 South Laura Street suite 1600 we're actually in the Vystar building. The mobility hub is designed to provide access to multiple Modal transports, and we'll run through the different accommodations, as I go through the presentation. The site is located under the overpass at Kings Avenue directly adjacent to the skyway station at Kings Avenue. So within the South Bank overlays zone. The site is actually under an impending agreement with FDOT it because we are located under I 95. So we are working on the construction agreement now between JTA and FDOT. The previously approved plan. Did a modification to the parking area and the entrance from Kings Avenue at Louisa Street. It also utilized an existing entrance at Gary Street between 95 and the hotel, there's a parking lot there. We had originally planned to widen that Gary street in entrance. But in the new plan. We will not make a modification to the width there, instead we'll just make it a one way in. This is sort of an overview that shows the different uses within the facility itself. The park next to Kings Avenue will be utilized strictly for public access, we're introducing a driveway into the existing parking. It'll be one way in from Kings avenue that entrance will be used by private parker's, Uber, Lyft and taxi in a separate drop off pick off line. And they'll exit on Kings Avenue in a separated exit driveway. The buses will enter in the same driveway at Kings Avenue and Gary street they will move to the back or the west side of the site that will provide a bus rapid transit pick up and drop off the pickup and drop off some or three buses in the bus line those buses will continue down through the onyx street exit out to potential avenue they'll pass the existing Skyway station where there are also other bus drop off lanes for standard bus and BRT. In addition, JTA is planning on instituting the UTC program which are electric vehicles. They have not selected a final vehicle, but the concepts are for 10 to 12 passenger vehicles that would use the site, they would also utilize the back part of the site. For JTA only use. So this diagram kind of spells out who's going to be using what parts of the site, the in between portion is is for pedestrian access and some other features. I'll show it to you. At the very north end of the site. We've had to accommodate Onyx Street. So there is a separate driveway for those private businesses that operate along Kings Avenue and have parking and access along the rear. The proposed changes from the original plan that was approved. Or talked about in the application as Lori presented, Number one, were reducing the driveway with. However, when I say reducing the driveway will remain as it is, it had previously been approved for expansion. We will not do that expansion now. Second change from the approved plan the driveway will become one way in, enter only, The third change will create that entrance to a separate parking area for public usage. Fourth, we're going to restrip the parking area for angled parking. This is to accommodate the one way operation and make it fit with the Uber, Lyft and taxi pickup dropoff zone. Five will add that passenger drop off and pick up zone for private access Changed number six will create the exit only driveway at Louisa Street. Seven will create the inner only driveway for Onyx and the skyway station. There are three parking spaces shown along that drive those are strictly for maintenance personnel for the skyway station for JTA use. Seven The inner only driveway for Onyx street you know again accommodates those private businesses. Along Kings Avenue. So they have rear access as they do today. Number eight will add that separate drive through lane for the UTC. And Number nine. We're just doing a reconfiguration of the BRT bus lanes from the original saw tooth configuration to a straight pass through. I've included some renderings that we've had done of what the finished product will look like. This is the JTA access portion of the site with the bus rapid transit pull through Showing the station amenities, which include shelters, covered shelters trash cans benches and bicycle racks, on the left, you'll see the separate pull through lane for the UTC And other JTA type vehicles that will use the site. On the front portion for public access this is a rendering of the Uber, Lyft and taxi lane in operation with personal vehicles parked in the foreground. You can see the UTC pull through Lane in the background behind the appears Again, another rendering looking south of the public access area personal vehicles public parking and Uber, Lyft and taxi. There will be Enhanced pedestrian access with widened sidewalks, landscaping and other amenities. The walkways will be along the north end and the south end for two different pedestrian access points. In addition, JTA is in the process of selecting a bike share VENDOR, SO WE ARE accommodating the future use of the area with a set aside for Bike Share That is within an landscape island, will include trees on the east and west to provide shade to that Bike Share area. In the public parking area there will be two electric vehicle charging stations that will accommodate up to four vehicles two at each station. I've included a picture of existing amenities. These are the same that will be included at the station. This photo is actually on Riverplace Boulevard. That shows the typical covered shelters, trash cans, benches and an automated ticket vending machine, along with a kiosk that provides information to travelers. That's it for the presentation, I'm ready to answer questions. 612 01:34:01.200 --> 01:34:04.500 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Thank you very much, Mr. McGregor, um, I believe will go to Board member comments and questions and we'll start with Mr. Harden. 614 01:34:14.490 --> 01:34:22.740 Jason Teal OGC: Apologize. Madam Secretary, you may need to open the public hearing before we go to the Board members and see if there's anybody from the public that wants to comment. 615 01:34:23.190 --> 01:34:37.500 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, I had them. I had public comments I had made. I had public comments after that. Okay, we'll take public comments, open the public hearing and take public comments. Are there any Ms. Menzini? 617 01:34:40.740 --> 01:34:42.420 Ina Mezini: No hands are currently raised. 618 01:34:44.700 --> 01:34:53.820 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, then in that event, we will close public comment and go to Board comments and questions. 619 01:34:55.860 --> 01:34:57.420 brenna durden (DDRB Board): And we'll start with Mr Harden. 620 01:34:59.070 --> 01:35:00.180 Christian Harden DDRB Board Member: I have no comments. 621 01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:07.590 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, next we'll go to Mr. Jones, please. 622 01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:21.360 Fred Jones (DDRB Board): Yes, Madam Secretary, and as a matter of procedure I as working with Michael Baker international where the JTA program manager. So will I will probably be recusing myself from this but I did have one question and maybe this is can be answered by either George or if we have anybody from JTA. I think it's obviously a great use to activate the space under there. Has there been any discussion about doing a community aesthetic agreement with with FDOT to look at maybe putting in some public art or potentially bringing in some ivy or something to kind of green up the space there. Because if you stand over there. It's a pretty inhospitable environment, but it just may be something a suggestion to think about because I know JTA has done a good job at public art around the skyway so just wondering, the ability to, you know, add some public art or aesthetic feature, particularly to the to the roadway pilings would be a unique feature. So just a suggestion. 628 01:36:16.440 --> 01:36:23.430 George McGregor: I'm not aware of any but I believe we have somebody from JTA on the call Will Wright, are you still on? 630 01:36:27.360 --> 01:36:47.670 Wendi Murray: Actually George this is Wendy, Will had to step out I, as well JTA am not aware of any plan public art of the such at the time. Currently, but I will bring that back to our marketing folks and, it's a good idea. Right now, we have no plans. I don't think. 631 01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:55.320 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Any of any other questions. Mr. Jones. Any other comments. 632 01:36:56.100 --> 01:36:56.820 Fred Jones (DDRB Board): No, that's all. 633 01:36:57.690 --> 01:37:01.320 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, thank you very much. We'll go on to Mr. Davidson, Davisson. 634 01:37:02.700 --> 01:37:04.350 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): I have no comments. Thank you. 635 01:37:05.850 --> 01:37:06.780 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Mr. Schilling. 636 01:37:08.460 --> 01:37:17.280 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Thank you. I don't have any questions, and the only comment is that I think the changes look good and I have no objections. Thank you. 637 01:37:18.660 --> 01:37:21.930 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Thank you very much, Mr. Schilling and Mr. Loretta. 638 01:37:23.940 --> 01:37:26.580 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Yeah, I think I have questions. And I feel like I'm potentially confused a bit so hoping can can answer a couple questions here. I am, the first question is regard to only the one way in basically parallel to Gary Street, obviously, that was a staff thing. But what's confusing me is, you know, when I gone, let's say in and went to the parking garage for a jags game. I'm kind of a lot of times, or go over to the barbecue restaurant across the street, you know, I'm kind of driving out and and driving through and and maybe exiting kind of where where Gary or Naugle is whatever we're going to call it. But now we're we no longer have that ability. So we're going to be are we cross pollinating vehicular traffic with the bus lane. I mean, am I missing something. Or vehiclar traffic in the bus lane. 647 01:38:35.640 --> 01:38:59.430 George McGregor: Well, I think that the concept was to reduce the conflict by not having buses entering the site and and it is a lot of vehicles leaving the site in the same space. And there's a lot of back and forth with the ownership of the hotel and the parking next door. And there were disputes over use of the property so, we've tried to do as little impact to that driveway as possible to maintain the agreement with the adjacent owner. 650 01:39:17.640 --> 01:39:24.990 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So, so people exiting through there, you know. So I'm looking at, let's say project site new concept. I'm going to go from page left. They're going to have to drive through the eight and almost drive through the U2C to exit right i mean that's why way they're exiting. 652 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:39.510 George McGregor: There is another exit farther to the south. Yeah. 653 01:39:39.630 --> 01:39:40.110 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): There is but if they get to a point of no return. They're kind of now truly going through. There's no way for them to safely exit. I mean, it's to me. It's amazing that we're making this decision just doesn't seem to be a correct decision. But I mean, otherwise it's like you just need to shut down the ability for those two roads to connect through if I mean that's almost what you really should be doing right now you're you're forcing traffic through the U2C and the bus lane right? 657 01:40:15.030 --> 01:40:22.920 George McGregor: For the public, you're coming in from from Kings Avenue into that public area. Yes, they would have to exit on Kings Avenue. But I guess if you if you got confused or felt you were trapped, I mean you can exit all the way through the skyway station out to Prudential drive. 659 01:40:33.810 --> 01:40:38.520 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Yeah, so you just kind of drive through the bus lane. So it's comfortable for people to drive through the bus lane. 660 01:40:38.940 --> 01:40:40.320 George McGregor: Yes. Okay. 661 01:40:40.500 --> 01:40:47.370 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So it just, okay, I mean that's that's because I see that happening or see people driving through the U2C And, you know, so hopefully their signage that says you know one way. Nothing go through and you know almost the exit direction for folks to know where they're going. So I just, You know, I think half the people kind of go that route because they miss when you're coming around that hotel you miss that the the to one way outs there because it's so tight to the building, you just don't see it. So then the next question. There's a lot of furniture and there's a lot of stuff, but I don't see it in the plans. Am I missing it. Where's all this. I mean, maybe I see the Bike Share on one of the pages sheet seven of the roadway plan, but everything else. I just don't see it, where You know the different benches or The different shelters. 669 01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:48.960 George McGregor: Allow me to share screen again, I'll show you those locations. 670 01:41:49.440 --> 01:41:50.130 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Yeah, that'd be great. 671 01:41:55.290 --> 01:41:56.250 Ina Mezini: You should be able to do so now. 672 01:42:02.910 --> 01:42:04.320 George McGregor: Okay. Can you see this 673 01:42:04.590 --> 01:42:07.590 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Are those the ok so those are those things right there. 674 01:42:08.040 --> 01:42:29.880 George McGregor: Okay. So along the bottom. These are the three buses and they're lighting zones and the three stations here on the bottom, along with other benches the kiosks, trash cans and bike racks here and down here. 675 01:42:30.180 --> 01:42:32.550 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So what are the black boxes in the middle. That you know it's 15 feet wide. In the middle between the, no further up Here. Yeah, what is that 679 01:42:43.380 --> 01:42:44.430 George McGregor: Additional benches. 680 01:42:44.760 --> 01:42:48.480 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Okay, so then is the gray. The new pavement. 681 01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:59.550 George McGregor: So yeah, it is a little confusing but see these hatched areas that is new asphalt. So that's where we create that driveway. This hatched area is a small area that is curb, that will be taken a section of that curb out to create this through lane. And then the same thing here we have a small bit of curb that will take you out to create this lane through. 684 01:43:17.670 --> 01:43:29.160 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So again, back to the middle because I'm a little confused with with how the landscape interacts. If I understand the Uber, how would an Uber person, how would a person get to the parking area. Drop off here from a pedestrian 686 01:43:32.430 --> 01:43:36.300 George McGregor: So if you're a pedestrian, there is a walk way here. All the way along through the site. 688 01:43:39.960 --> 01:43:43.320 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): It also hold on, because the Uber is on the north, though the Uber overs right there. Yes. And so if you go look at the landscape plan, you got landscaping blocking a pedestrian to walk there. 691 01:43:52.230 --> 01:43:59.940 George McGregor: No, actually, this is the public parking part. Yes. Yep. And there's landscaping here. 692 01:44:00.420 --> 01:44:09.180 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So go to the landscape plan and explain to me how a pedestrian would make it from Kings avenue to the rideshare parking or do right here area from a pedestrian standpoint. I have it here on my sheet. Sheet LD three. 695 01:44:24.930 --> 01:44:25.920 George McGregor: Lots of plans here. So there is no bits of landscaping in these island areas. 697 01:44:47.490 --> 01:44:53.070 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So it's like that OJ 76 I mean really shouldn't you have a walkway where the OJ 76 is and connect the walkway that's coming directly from Kings to the Uber parking area. 699 01:45:00.120 --> 01:45:04.710 George McGregor: So walk so walkway through here. 700 01:45:04.950 --> 01:45:06.720 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): That but Uber's to the north. 701 01:45:07.050 --> 01:45:10.200 George McGregor: But, and there's walk along Kings Avenue. And then the walkway continues across here. And around to the Bike Share site. Across to the skyway station. 705 01:45:24.720 --> 01:45:25.260 George McGregor: So, 706 01:45:26.040 --> 01:45:33.120 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So do you see what can you point where your hand is where the Uber person would be I know where it is. But point so you can understand. So we're gonna be standing When you get picked up. You're standing right there. Also, how do you walk to that location. 710 01:45:38.280 --> 01:45:43.830 George McGregor: You if you park you walk along the sidewalk and you cross here. 711 01:45:44.310 --> 01:45:46.380 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): But what if you're getting dropped you know i mean a lot of people may be walking there from a restaurant or something. I just, I'm saying you need a pedestrian connection to that Uber drop off right now. You really don't have it. You, you kind of could go all the way around the back side where the bike racks are on the east side the Bike Share. But I mean, you've already got the direct connection on the west side or the left side of the sheet. Why wouldn't you just make it right there. 715 01:46:10.500 --> 01:46:13.410 George McGregor: Well, we could make a connection here. 716 01:46:14.400 --> 01:46:15.960 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): And why not make it on the left side. Where that the OJ 76 is right there. I mean, you've got the sidewalk. What I'm not sure what I'm missing here. That's a pedestrian walkway all the way through here. 719 01:46:31.110 --> 01:46:42.000 Wendi Murray: So I'm Joe was your this is Wendy over at JTA. Let me just try one more time to understand your question. Are you asking how we're getting from like the Kings garage over to this area or? 720 01:46:42.870 --> 01:46:44.280 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): I don't match share my screen. 721 01:46:45.690 --> 01:46:46.170 Yes. 722 01:46:55.590 --> 01:47:00.870 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So I don't understand. I mean, the, the average pedestrians coming, coming in here and going this way. 723 01:47:01.680 --> 01:47:02.310 George McGregor: Yep. Right. 724 01:47:02.370 --> 01:47:08.250 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): But they can't because there's landscape here. So we just need to get rid of that landscaping right here and allow pedestrian to walk through. Okay. 726 01:47:10.320 --> 01:47:13.530 George McGregor: Now I see what you're saying. Yes, that is correct. 727 01:47:14.610 --> 01:47:24.450 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): I mean this, you know, so all I'm saying is, I mean, if you want to have a little landscape in the middle, then maybe that's fine, but we need a pedestrian to be able to walk through here. Because the walkway all the way around through here seems crazy to get to here when you could just walk right in there and do that. 729 01:47:32.460 --> 01:47:34.620 George McGregor: Yes. Agreed. Okay, thank you. 730 01:47:36.660 --> 01:47:43.260 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): That's my recommendation I i I'm not sure I really agree with the design of the entry. And the lack of the exit. But I guess that's something that somehow. A lot of people have negotiate over a couple years. And so it is what it is. So I'll approve, but I think they need to make sure that pedestrian connection is made sense on the southern side. 733 01:48:00.180 --> 01:48:01.440 George McGregor: All right, we'll make that change. 734 01:48:03.330 --> 01:48:03.690 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Thank you. 735 01:48:04.530 --> 01:48:12.660 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Loretta, um, so I have a few questions about it. So I, my first question is, What kind of landscaping and amenities are being provided along Kings Avenue. public amenities. Can you answer that Mr. McGregor. 740 01:48:35.550 --> 01:48:43.590 George McGregor: So there is landscaping between the parking and the existing sidewalk on Kings Avenue. 741 01:48:44.640 --> 01:48:51.120 brenna durden (DDRB Board): There is, I'm sorry there's. Can you tell. Can you tell us what it is, what kind of landscaping, because we have some provisions for shade trees, and I, I didn't see any. I didn't see any benches out there or anything that really talked about the sidewalk area. Could you just describe that the describe those improvements that are being planned for that. 746 01:49:20.970 --> 01:49:26.010 George McGregor: So there along the sidewalk, there is going to be Asiatic Jasmine planted between the parking and the back of sidewalk. There are also several areas of Carpet buggle weed is what's proposed. I'm not a landscape architect, I'm doing the best I can and plans. And then there are Several trees that are being planted, but they there are not any benches along Kings Avenue proper So that is not part of the plan. 754 01:50:07.980 --> 01:50:17.130 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, so I would ask staff. Is there an exception here that are or is this a deviation or are there supposed to be some benches and trees and things like that along Kings Avenue. 757 01:50:28.020 --> 01:50:35.640 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Board member Durden. So because of the location of this station being under the bridge street trees, we're not really looking, correct because, you know, the main reason for street trees and the need for, for shade and protection and since this area is already covered by the roadway the you know the the highway above that. That's not something that would need to be considered. Now if benches along Kings Avenue. I mean, I, we can request that they have that in there that they go ahead and follow the streetscape guidelines to add benches and trash receptacles along there If the board wishes for them to do so, but it It would it. 762 01:51:19.920 --> 01:51:22.860 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Up, excuse me, I apologize. Go ahead. 763 01:51:23.130 --> 01:51:24.690 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: No. No, go ahead. 764 01:51:25.620 --> 01:51:27.720 brenna durden (DDRB Board): So is the entire area. Under the under the overland Interstate. 767 01:51:36.930 --> 01:51:41.520 George McGregor: Yeah it spans all the way from Gary Street to Louisa street so. 768 01:51:41.910 --> 01:51:48.000 brenna durden (DDRB Board): How far out over what I'm getting at is how far I guess that would be West Over Kings Avenue. I didn't think it went actually over Kings Avenue in this. 771 01:51:55.800 --> 01:52:07.140 George McGregor: Yes, if the bridge spans all the way from before Kings Avenue, all the way down to Kendricks Ave. that entire area is is under the overpass. 772 01:52:07.890 --> 01:52:13.020 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay. Um, another question I've got is, and I know this is I was a little bit confused about where the electric vehicle chargers are located. Um, can you describe where those are. 774 01:52:24.690 --> 01:52:25.620 George McGregor: There in the Parking area, I'll share my screen again. 776 01:52:29.580 --> 01:52:32.820 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Maybe the project site new concept drawing. 777 01:53:03.720 --> 01:53:04.830 George McGregor: Trying to find the best drawing. 778 01:53:23.490 --> 01:53:29.670 brenna durden (DDRB Board): The reason I'm asking this is because it looks to me like those are located adjacent to the to the ADA spaces. Is that correct? 780 01:53:34.170 --> 01:53:43.530 George McGregor: So in fact, we were discussing that this morning, the current design has one charging station that charges two cars. Right, we the handy to handicapped spaces and another one between the two regular spaces. 782 01:53:53.790 --> 01:53:54.300 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay. 783 01:53:54.690 --> 01:54:05.040 George McGregor: And they're at the north end down here and the public parking area, so it will be two per handicap and two for non handicap. 784 01:54:06.300 --> 01:54:20.550 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, so we, you know, okay, so one will be restricted the only people that will be able to use the one of those is the people that have the handicapped stick up authorization correct. 785 01:54:20.940 --> 01:54:22.680 George McGregor: So they don't get blocked out completely. 786 01:54:23.700 --> 01:54:36.780 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, um, some other questions, and I know where I know I'm sensitive to the time I'm, I'm, I'm, I have some questions about what is going to separate these are Again, keeping with the the project site new concept, if you will, the one that has shaded green and pink and blue. You have some white areas in in between the Uber, Lyft taxi, and the U2C are those areas going to be raised so that People understand that's kind of like a place for for pedestrians and kind of a little bit associated with what Joe was talking about. But I, I have some general concern about the interaction of pedestrians and these different vehicles. Again, the same kind of question I've got is related in the pink area where you have U2C on one side and you have bustling on the other. Is that black kind of hashed area. in one of the details. It did not look like that was raised it just looks like it is you know markings on the surface and. And again, I kind of get concerned about a lot of different activities and the safety issue. Of the design. 796 01:55:59.250 --> 01:56:06.660 George McGregor: So the walking paths again are at the at the south end and at the north end to discourage walking through the site itself because there is a lot of activity. So this is a boarding and a lighting area through the middle. That separates the two areas. 799 01:56:25.560 --> 01:56:26.490 brenna durden (DDRB Board): To the other Slide the project site new concept. I think it actually kind of describes what I'm talking about a little bit better or makes it easier to understand. This one. Yes. Yes. Or you could go the other one with the changes in the corner. I mean, on the side, but that's fine you know it's the white area between the pink and the green You know, I believe that's where you want to add pedestrians, but it doesn't seem like there's any, you know, median, or it doesn't look like it's raised. 804 01:57:04.050 --> 01:57:06.570 George McGregor: Raised so raised curbed area. 805 01:57:07.200 --> 01:57:08.640 brenna durden (DDRB Board): It is raised ? Ok ok and then also The, the angled, if you will, just to some of the crossings seem to lead into nowhere on the northern end You have the crop, you know, further down further. Know down not there, right, to the right of where your hand is 810 01:57:37.530 --> 01:57:43.470 George McGregor: Raised curbed area with Bike Share trees and concrete. 811 01:57:44.820 --> 01:57:57.690 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay. And then, um, the other concern that I question I had not have is in regards to the driveway areas on the north end. Will they the blue private access and then did I understand that the buses are only going to go to the north, they will not try to slide out and use, you know, turn to the left and try to go out to kings Avenue, is that correct 813 01:58:16.470 --> 01:58:20.100 George McGregor: That's correct. In fact, it's impossible because the radius is too small here. 814 01:58:20.250 --> 01:58:29.460 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay. Okay, so they are just going to go to the north. Yep. And what happened that you said they end up ton Prudential? 815 01:58:30.450 --> 01:58:32.610 George McGregor: Yeah Prudential is where they exit now. 816 01:58:33.060 --> 01:58:36.660 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Is there an exit. There is the exit there now currently? 817 01:58:36.960 --> 01:58:37.470 George McGregor: Yes. 818 01:58:37.800 --> 01:58:39.480 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Is that exit one way Yes. Exit. Oh, sorry. I can find one way That is so bizarre. I anyway um okay well that that really helps me a lot. Um, you know, it definitely looks like a very busy area and, you know, I hope that you you you in the JTA able to pay special, special attention to the pedestrian interface here. Um, and, and, and make sure that there. It's very clear. And easy to access. Because I'm assuming this will also be utilized at night and anything that you can do to improve the user ability to understand and go where we wanted to go. Um, one last question. Joe mentioned that there will be cars going through the U2C and the bus lane, private cars. Is that correct or is this going to be restricted to buses and U2C. 828 02:00:05.310 --> 02:00:08.730 George McGregor: signage is basically going to say it's restricted to buses. Okay see Okay, if somebody does unfortunately go through there. They just take the same route that the bus would take out to Prudential. 831 02:00:19.200 --> 02:00:24.090 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, great. Okay. Um, let's see. Now back to my Role and So Mr. McGregor, are there any other comments in response to any of the questions that you want to add at this time. 835 02:00:44.370 --> 02:00:53.700 George McGregor: Uh, no, I one thing that I didn't point out there is a large tree at the north end in this area. It has been used To sometimes Park, under which has stressed the tree. So we are going to discourage parking there by putting landscaping in so we'll try to get the tree healthy again by by keeping parking off of the root system. 839 02:01:19.350 --> 02:01:25.740 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, that sounds good. So, okay, I want to go to the Board. Any further comments from the Board members. 840 02:01:27.840 --> 02:01:38.070 Fred Jones (DDRB Board): One other comment, Brenna through the chair and George just to confirm. I know at JRTC and some other places. And maybe you know this, Wendy. Will you guys be installing rapid rectangular flashing beacons at those crosswalks just so, you know, because if you have a bus coming in especially if it's night or whatever. Just so. And of course, you don't have to press and they can be motion activated, but just wondering if the plan is to install those at those crossings with the transit fleet. In the crosswalks. 844 02:02:03.390 --> 02:02:12.510 Wendi Murray: George correct me if I'm wrong. It's Wendy over at JTA, right now are our drawings are just for this static signs, reflective type static signs. Right now the plans do not show the flashing beacons. George am I incorrect there? 847 02:02:20.730 --> 02:02:27.480 George McGregor: Or you, you are correct. But, but, Fred, we are upgrading the lighting under there to five foot candles. So it's a fairly dark site now, but there will be additional lighting added, some freestanding and some additional lighting on the columns underneath the overpass now to lite the side up. 849 02:02:45.750 --> 02:02:46.080 Okay. 850 02:02:47.580 --> 02:03:06.210 brenna durden (DDRB Board): And up. Okay, so I want to go to the Board members are I've heard that there was one definite modification for the land in the landscaping area that Mr. Loretta spoke about. And I heard the applicant agree that they would provide a pedestrian space there. In addition to that comment. Are there any other conditions that we want to discuss before we get to motion. And looking and and i know you need to help me if I'm missing somebody is anybody raising their hands are asking any question. 853 02:03:32.790 --> 02:03:34.170 Ina Mezini: No maam, nobody's raising their hands. 854 02:03:34.680 --> 02:03:41.940 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Okay, I'll wave my hand, real quick and and just through the chair, real quickly to staff. I see that there is a condition in the staff report that there's no modification to the condition regarding the freestanding informational signs which I assume was a condition that was previously agreed to. So, so I was going to ask. Ms. Radcliffe-Meyers if there there's any additional background on that that That we should know about. 858 02:04:05.640 --> 02:04:14.670 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Board member Schilling through the chair. The original approval allowed for a free standing informational sign And with associated with the locations like like they said for a sign to be 12 feet in height and three feet in width. Now this location, they are going to be requesting a monument sign. We were going to bring it forward this time, but it was not ready yet. So we pulled it. So I just want to make sure that, that approved condition because they will have to come forward for a monument sign. It'd be a special sign exception, as we know. So that condition of the freestanding sign remains, they're just going to need to come to us for the monument sign and then they would not do the freestanding informational sign. I just wanted to make sure that we didn't end up with a sign as part of this. So, 864 02:05:04.590 --> 02:05:07.200 George McGregor: We'll do a separate application for the sign. 865 02:05:08.610 --> 02:05:09.090 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Okay, great. 867 02:05:11.850 --> 02:05:12.720 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Okay, so Then I think that we've discussed it the two conditions. Is there an a motion. Regarding the application. 870 02:05:27.090 --> 02:05:40.500 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): I will go ahead and do do my best to make a motion here to get this started. So, so I'll make a motion to approve DDRB 2012 009 with the Modification to approve the modifications outlined in the staff report, which are items. A through J, with the addition of the modification that has been agreed to with the applicant regarding the changing of the landscaping adjacent to the the rideshare pickup area. And with the, with no modification to the DDRB approved condition A in the staff report. 874 02:06:11.970 --> 02:06:14.310 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Thank you very much, Mr. Schilling. Is there a second? 875 02:06:16.560 --> 02:06:17.130 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): I'll second. 876 02:06:18.510 --> 02:06:23.640 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Thank you, Mr. Loretta, there's a motion to approve with the conditions. Is there any additional. Any additional discussion before we go to the vote. Seeing none. All in favor please say aye. 880 02:06:36.930 --> 02:06:37.350 Christian Harden DDRB Board Member: Aye. 881 02:06:38.520 --> 02:06:40.290 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Any nays. No, nice. Thank you very much. It's been the motion has been approved unanimously with the conditions. Thank you very much, Mr. McGregor. And also, Wendy. I didn't catch your last name. But thank you very much and just. 884 02:07:03.690 --> 02:07:10.680 Jason Teal OGC: Madam Chair for the record that Chairman Lee and BOARD MEMBER JONES recused themselves from the vote on this. Okay, thank you very much. 885 02:07:11.220 --> 02:07:13.590 brenna durden (DDRB Board): This time I'll turn it back over to Mr. Lee. 886 02:07:16.860 --> 02:07:20.310 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Ms. Durden. Sorry to put you on the spot like that. You did a wonderful job. I appreciate you taking us through that item we will move on to Agenda Item D. DDRB 2020 dash 015 the 2000 excuse me 218 West Church Street adaptive reuse conceptual approval project, and I'll look for the staff report from Ms. Radcliffe-Meyers, please. 888 02:07:47.280 --> 02:07:51.270 Ina Mezini: Mr. Lee this I see Christian Harden. 889 02:07:52.890 --> 02:07:55.980 Christian Harden DDRB Board Member: Physically was, yeah. I apologize, but I've got a hard stop at Four. So I'm gonna have to sign off. 891 02:08:00.630 --> 02:08:01.410 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr Harden. 892 02:08:09.810 --> 02:08:20.340 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Thank you, Chairman Lee, go ahead and start with the staff report. Again, my name is Lori Radcliffe-Meyers with the downtown Investment Authority, and I will be presenting an overview of DDRB application 2020-015 218 West Church Street adaptive reuse. DDRB application 2020-015 Seeks conceptual approval for an adaptive reuse of the Baptist Convention building located at 218 West Church Street. Their proposal is to convert the building into a mixed use development with two mercantile suites a restaurant space and 24 studio and one bedroom apartments. The building is a locally designated landmark designed by Henry Klutho and built in 1924. The site is 0.16 acres and is bounded to the north by Church Street to the east by the old Federal Reserve building to the south by sweet Pete's and to the west by the independent life building. Based on the foregoing the downtown development review board staff supports conceptual approval of DDRB application 2020-015. With the following recommendations, prior to submittal for final review the developer shall meet with staff to identify any deviation sought At final review the developer shall provide enough detail so as to illustrate that the pedestrian zone meets the definition of such in the ordinance code and meets the various requirements and design amenity features. And that street lights benches and street furnishing shall be placed in the amenity area and this concludes staff summation staff is available for questions. Thank you. 901 02:09:49.860 --> 02:09:53.100 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Ms. Radcliffe-Meyers, I appreciate the report. I'd like to hand it over to the Applicant Ms. Robbins for her presentation. 905 02:10:00.360 --> 02:10:13.590 Brooke Robbins: Good afternoon, everyone. This is Brooke Robbins I'm principal architect with Robbins design studio and addresses 40 East Adam street Jacksonville, Florida 32202 so I will share my screen. Pull up the presentation. Okay. So as mentioned, we are looking at the Baptist Convention building located at 218 West Church Street. So the development team is JWB real estate companies, as mentioned, I'm Brooke Robbin's with Robbins design, contractor Auld and White and then we have three other local firms TLC engineering, Atlantic engineering and Connolly and Wicker rounding out the design team. So as mentioned, the, the building was constructed in 1924 as the Baptist Convention building. It was actually originally constructed as four stories and then a year later, they decided they needed a fifth floor. So they removed the top then added another floor. And it was designed by Henry Klutho, it is a both a local and national landmark Certified Historic structure, and you don't need to see my all my meetings. And we are pursuing historic tax credits. So we are going through the State Historic Preservation and National Park Service reviews on the property. So moving forward. The site has. I mean, most of you, I think know it's just north of sweet Pete's on located on Church Street between Hogan and Julia Street. Again, it's located centrally here. Just photographs of the neighbors. So to this is to 218 church here. So, to the the west of the property, you have the independent life building, To the northwest of the property is the Fire and Rescue department headquarters, Immediately across the street is the Western Union in the foreground Western Union building and the Jones brothers furniture building behind. Church to the caddy corner to the northeast and then the Federal Reserve building is adjacent to the property, which we will be presenting following this one. So again, existing just running through the existing property. The building has been abandoned for approximately 40 plus years. So it's kind of severe neglect in part of the lot of the scope of the renovation as to repair and restore the structure. So, this is the existing facade majority of the windows are missing the existing storefront on the first floor has been boarded up and that sort of thing. So there's the the construction is brick, you have limestone panel infill and the first floor had a modification in the 40's which added some tile porcelain tile on top of the existing limestone panels. This is the West facade that faces independent life. And as you can see, most of the windows are missing. And there's an alleyway that that goes down and enters the back of the building. So this is kind of actually a good slide to kind of point out an interesting feature of the building is you enter off Church Street on grade. And then once you get halfway through the building, you go up a half a level to like level one and a half or you go down a half level to basement and a half in the back of the property and then you actually go down another half level to the full basement on the front side of the property. And then the eastern facade. And you can see in the drawing the entire facade, but actually visually from the street. You really only see the back portion, the Federal. You can see the corner here of the Federal Reserve Bank. That blocks the majority of the facade and as you can see, you know, we're missing part of our facade. So that's part of the renovations to repair to restore the structure And again, the Southern facade. Currently there is, there was a two story addition done to the building at a certain period of time. So you have the original building above and then this two story block below. The existing streetscape has not been done for in front of the building. So this is just a picture of looking down towards 218 church from the Federal Reserve. So that's something we are proposing. So here's an overall site plan you have the Baptist Convention building The Federal Reserve building which we will be presenting next and then also JWB also owne's Sweet Pete's as well. So we're really looking at the three of these as a collection for this corner of downtown. So the overall site plan or large site plan for the Baptist Convention building you have Church Street along here. So we are proposing to update the streetscape with the city standard pavers. And, you know, adding a new street light the landscaping portion. Currently there's a large tree that is blocking in the front of the building. The front entry. So we're proposing. To shift new shade trees to either side of that entry to allow access in through the front door and also you know visually to view the building. And then you do have, as mentioned, there's an alleyway to the west that leads down to the back addition of the building. So we are providing a secondary egress stare that comes down the back of the building and will exit out through this alleyway to the street for life safety purposes, but the alleyway will also be utilized for trash receptacles and a residential bike rack and that sort of thing. So I know one of the comments that we had from staff was to, you know, provide bike racks and trash receptacles and benches and such. So, we will take a look at that to incorporate that into the streetscape moving forward. And again, this is just an enlarged view of that streetscape identifying the amenity area where it's always the sidewalk is a current width so we are, you know, working with the dimensions that that we have, but we are you know in putting you know in laying in the pavers and doing the windowpane to concrete, you know, downtown standard effect on either side. So the amenity area we're providing five feet and then the pedestrian clear area we have six foot five and then we have the two foot frontage in front of the building. And then so the new so the proposed. So, what we are we are restoring and repairing The existing historical building and again we're dealing with the, the State Historic Preservation Office and the National Park Service, you know, to get the approvals to meet the, the, you know, standards for those Historic standards for renovation. So we are you know there are no windows left in the building and they're all damaged, and most of them are missing. So we will put new new windows and that will be compatible with the existing profile and color of the existing windows and the first floor you have A the main entry we will do be doing a slight modification to the height of the entry currently you step up six inches to go into the building. So we need an accessible entrance for the property. So we are dropping this the front entry downs that it is flush with the sidewalk and incorporated in a ramp inside the building. So from from the outside, you won't see that that transition and then the two mercantile spaces on either side of the entry. Will will have a storefront replacement with fixed glass and then we are restoring or putting back, a canopy that is compatible and similar to the canopy that was originally on the building, when it was constructed in 1924. And this is the East facade. So again, you know, it's mainly repair. We have some brick that's beginning to pull away from the building so you know reappointing, repair repairing tying the brick back and replacing all of the windows for that component. And then the South facade. We will have a secondary egress coming out entering through The step back a minute. So the two story edition will get a partial demolition to bring this existing this new egress stair down through and out the back so that we can get people out from the apartments on the upper floors. And this is a view from The east side from the courtyard space adjacent to the Federal Reserve, looking at the new windows and then we are also proposing new entries into The restaurant space. So I realize I skipped over that. So the, the mixed use of the property is going to be mercantile on the first floor facing Church Street and then the back half on those half levels that I mentioned, you will have the two potential for two restaurants. One and the one and a half level and then and then another restaurant in the basement and a half level and then the upper floors two through five will be the 24 one bedroom and studio apartments are going going into those levels. And then just a final shot of the existing condition versus the, the new condition. Once we get through renovation of the building. So Any questions or? 965 02:20:51.360 --> 02:20:54.900 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): But thank you for that presentation. Ms. Robbins appreciate that. I'd like to open up the public comment right now. Ms. Menzini, do we have any hands raised or any other comments that came in? 967 02:21:04.590 --> 02:21:07.320 Ina Mezini: I do not have any hands raised or comments that came in. 968 02:21:08.520 --> 02:21:16.530 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you. I will close the public comment portion and I'd like to go ahead and get BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS. And we'll start with Mr. Loretta 969 02:21:19.380 --> 02:21:22.290 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): So I think that's a great project. And I appreciate appreciate y'all doing this and wish you fantastic luck. 972 02:21:32.280 --> 02:21:33.960 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Loretta, Ms. Durden. 973 02:21:35.130 --> 02:21:46.380 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm going to declare a conflict. My firm represents, has a client who has a relationship and ongoing continuing interest. In the landowner and Have two properties. The conflict. I'm going to declare is for both items, D, and E. So I will not be providing any comments. Thank you. 977 02:22:07.110 --> 02:22:07.800 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you. We'll move on to Mr. Schilling. 979 02:22:14.910 --> 02:22:19.170 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Thank you. In through the chair. What it well first let me share I'll echo similar feedback is Board member Loretta that I think it looks like a great project and and I think one. Thank you for providing some great detail here as part of the The initial, initial review and and the one question through the chair to the applicant, I'd have is, you know, at this point in time. Are there any deviations that you see that that you may be needing or At this point does it appear that that looks like. Y'all are going to be able to comply with with the code. 984 02:22:59.400 --> 02:23:04.800 Brooke Robbins: Correct, yeah. At this point, we're not seeking. They are not seeking any deviations. So. 985 02:23:04.830 --> 02:23:08.880 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Okay, Great. All right. And I don't have any further questions or comments. 986 02:23:12.090 --> 02:23:14.670 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Schilling, Mr. Davisson. 987 02:23:15.960 --> 02:23:23.790 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): I just, I just think it's a wonderful piece of architecture for downtown Jackson. I hope you're successful. That's all. 988 02:23:27.720 --> 02:23:30.150 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you. Mr. Davisson I appreciate that. Mr. Jones. 989 02:23:32.370 --> 02:23:45.090 Fred Jones (DDRB Board): Just echoing the previous comments. I think this is a wonderful project and look forward to more opportunities to reuse some of our treasures downtown. So this is a great project. No comments. 990 02:23:47.970 --> 02:23:48.630 Thank you. 991 02:23:51.360 --> 02:24:01.890 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Mr. Harden has left us, so I'll IN THE BOARD COMMENTS with also complimenting the design team and the development team in taking on this task. Of giving Jacksonville back one of its architectural gems. The renderings look wonderful, I would like to know, have have the uses of the building been considered. I mean, do you know what is going to be inside the project. 993 02:24:17.790 --> 02:24:25.290 Brooke Robbins: Yes. So the first floor. So when you come in the front door off of Church Street. This will be a dual purpose entry. So it will provide access to the we have two small mercantile suites on either side and then it will. It's also the entry to the apartments above So two through five. We have six apartments per floor. So that gives us 24 apartments on the upper floors and then the the restaurant pieces actually access through The new courtyard, that we will be talking about in the next presentation where you have dual entrances into Restaurant space. So you'll have a restaurant on what we're calling level one and a half, and then another restaurant on the basement and a half level. So it's a true mixed use development. 998 02:25:07.170 --> 02:25:13.590 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Right. Wonderful. I do appreciate the need to add the additional stair in the back. I'm hoping that maybe by the time you get to final there will be an opportunity to maybe do a green wall or some other kind of screen to help soften it if possible. You know, if you can work it into the project, certainly not a requirement of this approval. I don't believe but You know, try to consider that staircases view from your new, what might be a really beautiful place to eat. It would be my only other comment. If there are no other comments I'll close the Board commenting section and ask for a motion to approve conceptually DDR excuse me grab my agenda. DDRB agenda item. 2020-01 West Church Street adaptive reuse. We have a move from BOARD MEMBER JONES is there a second 1008 02:26:16.350 --> 02:26:16.800 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Second, 1009 02:26:17.640 --> 02:26:22.080 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): We have a second from board member Schilling, all those in favor please say aye. 1010 02:26:22.710 --> 02:26:23.580 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Aye. Aye. 1011 02:26:24.540 --> 02:26:26.070 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): And are there any opposed. Hearing none opposed the motion carries unanimously graduations Ms. Robbins, thank you for great work and pass along our compliments to the team. 1013 02:26:40.110 --> 02:26:46.710 Jason Teal OGC: For I'm sorry for the record will notate that Board member Durden recused herself from the vote. 1014 02:26:47.460 --> 02:26:52.860 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Yes, thank you Mr. Teal, please add that to the record that Ms. Durden recused herself from the vote. And not having Mr. Harden or Ms. Durden I'm assuming we still had a quorum and that that vote passed, I believe we did. 1016 02:27:04.590 --> 02:27:05.460 Jason Teal OGC: Yes, Mr. Chairman. 1017 02:27:05.880 --> 02:27:07.020 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Yep, good. Thank you. All right, we'll move right on to the next agenda item E. DDRB 2020 dash 016 424 North Hogan street adaptive reuse for conceptual approval. May I have the staff report, Ms. Radcliffe-Meyers. 1021 02:27:28.680 --> 02:27:43.470 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Yes, thank you again chairman Lee DDRB application 2020-016 seeks conceptual approval for an adaptive reuse of the Federal Reserve building built in 1923 and located at 424 North Hogan Street. Their proposal is to convert the building into a mixed Use development, including restaurant, business and banquet space, along with an exterior courtyard for outdoor dining. The site is point 22 acres and is bounded to the north by Church Street to the east by Hogan Street to the south by Sweet Pete's and to the west by the Baptist Convention building Based on the foregoing the downtown development review board staff supports the conceptual approval of DDRB application 2020-016 With the following recommendations, prior to submittal for final review the developer shall meet with staff to identify any deviations sought At final review the developer shall provide enough detail so as to illustrate that the pedestrian zone meets the definition of such in the ordinance code. And that streetlights benches and street furnishing shall be placed in the amenity area and this conclude staff summation and staff is available for questions. Thank you. 1029 02:28:45.930 --> 02:28:53.010 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Ms. Radcliffe-Meyers and Ms. Robbins it says you are the applicant for this one as well. I'll hand the meeting back over to you for your presentation. 1030 02:28:53.400 --> 02:28:53.730 Okay. 1031 02:28:55.200 --> 02:28:57.210 Brooke Robbins: Ok. Let me share this screen again. So again, this is Brooke ROBBINS WITH Robin's design studio 40 East Adams street Jacksonville, Florida 32202. So we are now looking at the adjacent property, which is the Federal Reserve building adaptive reuse. So again, the same team JWB real estate is the developer, myself and the other local engineering teams and Auld and White contractors for construction. Again, this building, similar to the adjacent property. This was built in 1923 and is also both the national and local landmark building again. It's been abandoned for, you know, the last 40 plus years. The last occupant was an eye doctor. So we are looking at another mixed use development with This building, it's four stories. So we have a basement level, which at this point, we're doing a shell space, but the proposed, we have two options for that is either office or restaurant space. And then the first floor would be future restaurant space, the second floor mezzanine and the third floor would be Banquet event space. So again, you know, same site one building over. And so this is the corner of Church and Hogan Street and downtown This this and and the adjacent also say it's the building and it's also the adjacent parking lot that has currently between the Federal Reserve building and Sweet Pete's So again, there's the building. Same neighbors as the previous presentation so Jones brothers and Western Union is immediately across the street. catty corner is the church across Hogan street you have City Hall and the Skyway going down Hogan Street. And then to the south of the property you have Sweet Pete's. So again, we are not proposing any any major changes to the exterior of the building, being that it is You know, a beautiful building and a national landmark structure. So, we are actually repairing the windows and this property not replacing them. And, you know, cleaning the limestone repairing you know the the building has a copper soffit, decorative soffit that has had some some damage. Due to, you know, water penetration and that sort of thing. So that's being repaired as well. So this would become the main entry for the future first floor restaurant off of Hogan Street. And then facing Church Street. This is the existing facade. The only we are going to replace their existing storefront in this back corner that would be replaced with new just to due to degradation of the existing system. So just, it will it will look similar to what they are. Now again, complying with the National Park Service standards. The South facade currently faces the parking lot and has an emergency escape. Currently, that we will be replacing. And additionally, you come in off of the courtyard, you walk up a non code compliant ramp and there's a little bit of stairs. There's a little platform. When you get inside the building. So we are proposing to remove that existing stair ramp and bring this entry down just to get our height differential closer of grade you know outside grade inside level one, so we can incorporate a new accessible insurance there. The West facade is the alleyway between the Federal Reserve and 218 Church Street. So that's really a repair and restore. It's a combination of brick and limestone. The existing streetscape. This is looking down as the Federal Reserve looking down Church Street. So we are proposing upgrades to the Church Street streetscape to tie in with Church 218 to 218 project as well. And then the Hogan Street. Has a partial has already been completed by the city for a majority of a property on to the streetscape standards and we'll take a look at that we get to the plan. Which is actually the next slide. So here we have again the overall, you know, three, you know, three, three buildings. The Baptist Convention building the Federal Reserve and Sweet Pete's So this property is the that we're talking about. Here's the Federal Reserve and the adjacent parking lot that we're converting to an outdoor seating area courtyard. That could be utilized by all three buildings. So zooming in a little closer on this, you have the streetscape along Church Street again being updated to the streetscape standards. With the pavers, and the the trees are existing so those will remain, lights are existing. And again, as recommended by staff will take a look at you know, incorporating the benches and the trash receptacles and such. Hogan Street is partially completed already. There's a section in front of the current parking. That is not done, we are excluding this from our renovations at this point because the Hogan Street is part of the proposed Emerald trail renovations and Have not you know, seeing the design or the overall big picture for that had that piece and figure that this Eight. And we'll see when we get to the renderings but a low planter with some some vegetation My internet connection is unstable. So And a fencing, you know, kind of city standard. The wrought iron look fencing behind that for security. So the proposed courtyard is a combination of pavers and turf areas and then we are at this point, we're just blocking it out, but looking for a future. When the restaurants, come on board a future outdoor bar that would be owned and operated by one of those. So, and then this is where we would also have, you know, you can see the entries into the adjacent Baptist Convention building the alleyway between The Federal Reserve building and the Baptist Convention building is going to be a multipurpose so it will Contain equipment for the building as we don't really have a lot of rooftop to put equipment. Up there and then also the the trash. The two yard dumpsters. So with a gate on this end and then additionally, it's an egress path for the courtyard. So we have our multiple exits out of that space. And again, here's an enlarged plan identifying the streetscape along Church Street where we're meeting the amenity area. The five we're providing five feet. Seven feet for the pedestrian clear area and then the two foot building frontage and then we have notated the existing along Hogan street which is Building frontage of two feet and a pedestrian clear area of the five foot seven feet. And again, that's an existing sidewalk and that previously had been updated by the city themselves. So new so the proposed new. So like I said, we're not really changing anything on the exterior. We will be incorporating You know, building facade lighting and that sort of thing which we will bring forward for the final presentations but really the lighting that we're looking at, we're refining that package and it would be to enhance the architectural character in the building and that sort of thing, but essentially it's cleaning it up removing the graffiti repairing You know, cleaning and repairing the limestone repairing the the copper work up high for that and Then this is the North facade. So this is where you can see the streetscape along Church Street that we're updating. The western facade. Again, this faces the alleyways so it's clean and repair and get it back to a good condition and then the courtyard facade. So we are providing a new emergency egress that comes out of the second floor and the first floor. In addition to Some new entries up into on the first level and down into the basement as well within the courtyard space and then this is the the low wall. With planting bed that we've proposed we're thinking brick that will coordinate with a painted brick facade on the side of the building. With the wrought iron fencing behind and then a combination of different tree types shade trees and palm trees within the courtyard space. To utilize for stringing lights and that sort of thing to have the courtyard. Well lit for egress, but also for, you know, the evening dining experience and that sort of thing. And this is a more kind of aerial look down into the courtyard. So different types of seating areas. And it mentioned, different, different you know pay versus vegetation versus landscape. And then we are, you know, the back facade entry into 218. This is where it shows that that we do have some green, it doesn't quite hide the stair that goes all the way up to the roof, but that that up to that second floor level, we did have some green wall incorporated in that as well. So And that's the conclusion of our presentation. 1091 02:39:37.980 --> 02:39:45.210 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Ms. Robbins for presenting that comprehensive look. That's nice to have so much work done for conceptual I appreciate all the effort that went into that. I'd like to open up to public comments, Ms. Menzini, if there are any. 1093 02:39:55.740 --> 02:40:03.030 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Wonderful. Thank you. So I would like to get Board comments. Let's start with Mr. Jones. 1094 02:40:04.080 --> 02:40:11.940 Fred Jones (DDRB Board): I have no comments. This is a great project really excited to see this come to fruition and look forward to seeing where this goes. Thanks. 1096 02:40:17.580 --> 02:40:20.130 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Jones, Mr. Davisson. 1097 02:40:22.950 --> 02:40:33.150 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): Yeah, I think, you know, even more so than the previous Baptist Convention building by Klutho. So, you know, in my opinion, this is Jacksonville's number one Jewel. You know it's architecturally and historically significant and probably the most well built building in town. And I think maybe something people don't know historically This building was designed and carried through by an architect named Henrietta Dozier who is considered Florida and Georgia's first female architect. So, at any rate, I wish your success. Thank you. 1100 02:41:03.450 --> 02:41:06.150 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Davisson, Mr. Schilling. 1101 02:41:07.530 --> 02:41:08.040 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Thank you. Again, I'll, I'll share. It's a great looking project very excited about it and through the chair. I was gonna ask the applicant similar to the to the last project. Is, from a deviation standpoint, is there anything that you're seeing at this point that that y'all are thinking you would need a deviation for? 1104 02:41:30.750 --> 02:41:36.210 Brooke Robbins: Not at this point, staff, Lori, you may want to comment about the Hogan street frontage with that Emerald trail incorporation. Because currently, we are not upgrading that the, as you know, part of that being done as part of a future construct for part of the Emerald trail, other than that, we are you know meeting all of the all of the standards and requirements. So I'm not sure if we need to need clarification on if we need to seek a deviation for the Hogan street frontage. 1108 02:42:07.140 --> 02:42:17.010 Lori Radcliffe-Meyers DIA staff: Yeah Board member Schilling through the chair. So along Hogan Street just like Brooke was saying is the planed Emerald trail. And then on top of that is the Hogan street cycle track that's going to be going in, in there as well. So Hogan Street is going to be reduced down to one lane and the cycle track is going to be going through there. So, I'm going to have to dig deeper into, you know, before this comes back for final to see if that would actually trigger them to receive a deviation from that streetscape guideline. I'm not sure exactly what the plans are as well. So I would need to do research on on my part to see what's actually being proposed along there. But currently, we wouldn't want them installing anything along there that then we the city would have to come rip out because of installing that cycle track and such. 1113 02:43:02.790 --> 02:43:15.150 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, thank you. And then just final comment also echo, echo. Thank you for providing as much detail is as you've provided at the conceptual level. It really is helpful to be able to see everything that y'all are proposing and looks great. And that's all I have. Thank you. 1115 02:43:25.680 --> 02:43:31.770 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Schilling, Ms. Durden I'd like to confirm your recusal for this agenda item. 1116 02:43:32.490 --> 02:43:40.590 brenna durden (DDRB Board): Yes, for, for the record, I'm declaring conflict and recusing myself from the vote for this item. Thank you. 1117 02:43:41.400 --> 02:43:43.710 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Ms. Durden, Mr. Loretta. 1118 02:43:46.770 --> 02:43:48.180 Joe Loretta (DDRB Board): Yeah, so I just, I'm just echo what I said earlier I said Elias, Ms. Robbins. She did a great job and JWB appreciate what you're doing here for Jacksonville and wish you all the best of luck. 1120 02:44:02.310 --> 02:44:03.390 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Loretta I'll finish the comments with really the same thing that everyone's been saying. Great work Ms. Robbins to you and your team. To JBW a really hope this makes it through final and through completion of construction would love to see the rest of this block built out along with sweet Pete's reinvigorated by the new work happening in this area of our downtown. So thank you. If there are no other comments from the Board I'll be looking for a motion for approval. Excuse me. DDRB 2020 dash 016 the North Hogan street adaptive reuse project. 1126 02:44:51.030 --> 02:44:52.860 Bill Schilling (DDRB Board): Mr. Chairman, I'll move approval. 1127 02:44:53.970 --> 02:44:57.750 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Schilling. We have motion. Do we have a second? 1128 02:44:58.170 --> 02:44:58.860 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): I'll second. 1129 02:44:59.790 --> 02:45:05.430 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Thank you, Mr. Davisson for the Second. All those in favor of approving please say aye. 1130 02:45:06.240 --> 02:45:06.750 Aye. 1131 02:45:07.830 --> 02:45:08.280 Craig Davisson (DDRB Board): Wonderful. 1132 02:45:08.310 --> 02:45:09.210 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Any opposed. Not opposed. Thank you very much. The motion carries. Again, unanimously Ms. Robbins, and thank you for your patience. While we reshuffled the agenda. 1135 02:45:20.640 --> 02:45:21.930 Brooke Robbins: Thank you guys. We appreciate it. 1136 02:45:22.860 --> 02:45:29.520 Jason Teal OGC: Wonderful and Chairman Lee, go ahead and note for the record that board member Durden recused herself from the vote on this one. 1137 02:45:29.940 --> 02:45:31.560 Trevor Lee (DDRB Chair): Yes, thank you, I was almost going to get to that. Thank you, Mr. Teal, note for the record that Ms. Durden abstained from the vote. Thank you. If there are no more items on the agenda we will close the action items and move on to old business. unless anyone has old business that did not make into the agenda. We will move on from old business to new business. I have none. Does any other Board member have any new business. Seeing none I will close that item and we'll move on to public comments, Ms. Menzini. Were there any public comments, generally? Thank you. Seeing no public comments, and if there are no other items will move to adjourn. Thank you everyone for joining us today and thank you for your patience. 1146 02:46:26.190 --> 02:46:27.510 Fred Jones (DDRB Board): Thank you. Thank you.